June 22, 2018 · OPINION
Immigration executive order deemed “a cynical lie”
By Matthew Karns
On June 20, President Trump signed an executive order, supposedly halting the separation of immigrant children from their parents. This may seem a victory, but it is a cynical lie.
Foremost, this order will not do what Trump claims. The order allows families to stay together, but only within detention facilities. It does not override a 1993 Supreme Court case that says children can only be detained for 20 days.
So many immigrants are being detained, and the courts are so overwhelmed, it is certain these families will not be processed within 20 days. The children will STILL be taken from their parents.
Second, this administration leans heavily on an avowed belief in the rule of law, yet applies laws haphazardly. It is weaponizing the law to punish only certain offenses, while ignoring other serious violations of the law.
Illegal border crossings are a misdemeanor for first-time offenders. The punishment is beyond the pale, constituting cruel and unusual punishment, violating the Eighth Amendment. Lying on your SF-86 is a felony, yet Jared Kushner has suffered NO legal consequence. Both facts are damning for an administration that claims to be obsessed with the Constitution and law and order.
The media is having difficulty talking about this. They use soft words like “misleading,” “untrue” or even “false.” These words are not direct enough to capture the deep cynicism at work.
These are lies, told by liars.
BJ · June 25, 2018 at 8:11 am
Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented. Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies and the media can also produce propaganda.
BJ · June 24, 2018 at 10:59 pm
Jeffersonian American you need to get together with stupid people. Perhaps she can wear that sexy purple dress? You two sound like the perfect couple that have been drinking from the same pitcher of Kool-Aid. Where's Jim Jones when we need him!
Jeffersonian American · June 24, 2018 at 6:36 pm
The failure by this author to understand the national security implications of the continuous, long-running illegal alien invasion of our country is too horrifying to contemplate for the future of all law-abiding Americans who love their country and who respect our U.S. Constitution as the law of the land. WAKE UP FAUQUIER COUNTY AND WAKE UP AMERICA before you lose your precious freedoms and way of life to this rampant, unchecked, illegal alien invasion before it is too late. Soon, when these lawless hordes, un-assimilating cultures and MS-13 gangs end up on your doorstep or invade your homes and vote our U.S. Constitution out of existence while all on taxpayer welfare- it will be too late for you, your families, your neighbors, and your disastrous, Leftist virtue-signaling brand of compassion without thought. The rest of us do not plan to follow you with your compassionate plans for national suicide.
Some may be surprised to learn (outside of our public schools) the United States of America was never intended to be established as the World's Lifeboat amidst a sea of failed cultures around the world which see millions fleeing from their Socialist-Marxist-Communist Hell-holes. The poem later added to the Statue of Liberty is a Spectacular Lie if one understands that the fable is a fictitious narrative of known origin; and if one understands the essential truths behind our American founding. Ralph Raico expresses it best when he wrote many people, including some libertarians, misunderstand the significance of the Statue of Liberty. It has nothing to do with immigration, or huddled masses yearning to breathe free (or just yearning to get on the welfare gravy train). That stuff came years afterwards, in a poem by Emma Lazarus tacked on. The name of the Lady in New York Harbor that the French sent us as a birthday present in 1876 is "Liberty Enlightening the World." That is why she's carrying the torch. And what she's enlightening the world with isn't the glories of open borders. It's the libertarian ideals of the American Revolution (actually the First American Secession from the British Crown). That's why the book she's carrying is inscribed "1776." But the myth (fable) lives on.
I urge anyone who may still be confused about the daily illegal alien invasion threats coming across our borders to read these thoughtful, common-sense articles:
BJ · June 24, 2018 at 12:12 pm
stupid people - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, who's member name is stupid people? You must have a very low opinion of yourself. P.S. Obscene language is not allowed on this forum, or is that you just acting "stupid" again. Oops!
stupid people · June 23, 2018 at 4:04 pm
At least we can have debate that is respectable and we just disagree. Global commerce works when its good for both countrys. Not when one country gets shit on. I agree isolationisnm is bad.
Not like bj who doesnt add anything just name calls. Part of whats wrong with this country nobody can debate without name calling. 2 can play that game bj put i wont go there. if you dont like my name maybe its you and the people like you that im talking about. A bunch of sheep that just listen to what ever talking points their party puts out.
Jim Griffin · June 23, 2018 at 3:32 pm
More finger pointing, buck passing. He reversed course because he needed to do so. It was a ploy that failed.
Not an open border guy -- I respect them where imposed -- but a realist: The world in which I work is truly global; impediments to commerce reduce value.
I brought up not so much speeding as the need for discretion and balance in law enforcement. Zero tolerance is mistaken policy and so it was reversed.
Not defending Democrats (I am not one), but when Republicans sell fear I'm not buying. The great deal-maker overplayed his hand. Global commerce brings prosperity; Isolationism leads to despair (ask North Korea).
Election trends speak for themselves in raw numbers, but you are entitled to your guess.
BJ · June 23, 2018 at 3:17 pm
stupid people - quite the dress! What size are you getting XL to go with your XL mouth or XS to go with your XS mind?
stupid people · June 23, 2018 at 3:14 pm
1.A court does dictate this .Its a 2015 ruling that children have to released after 20 days. . Again obama and bush were doing the same thing. Obama only stop doing this after the court ruling in 2015. Were was you outrage when that was happing in 2014 and earlier. O yea your guy was in the oval office so you didnt care. Just like a the D’s in congress didnt care back then. Let me add that if the 2015 court order didnt happen the children could have stay with there parents while they are awaiting their trial/case.
2 . DJT was just follow what all the other presidents were doing before the 2015 court ruling. Zero tolerance to try and stop it. I guess you dont know what happens tp this migrants while they make this dangerous trek to the united states. If anything this zero tolerance policy might save these migrants from all the horrors that happen during this trek.
3. You brought up speeding. If you really want to compare it look at how many U.S. citizens get seperated from their familys for low level drug arrest every day or year here in the U.S.
4. Im sure you had a passport to go these places legally. You understand the difference between legally going across the border and illegally going across the border. I guess your one of this open border guys. Open borders is the downfall of any country.
5. Your right on this one now it has flipped because the unions dont have any members any more.
6. Its happing because of the eo that trump signed while they appeal the 2015 court order. Now people on the far left are going to sue that eo because they dont care about the migrants they just want open borders.
7. It didnt pass because they want to give ammesty to over 2 million law breakers and not one D voted for it because they want it to be a campaign issue. Again they dont care about the migrants, Why dont we just release all the law breakers from are jails. It isnt any difference. Again im all for legal imigtation.
8. Mid terms cant come fast enough because then people will move on from this and wont care anymore. You do know that the D’s are going to lose about 6-8 senate seats this midterm. Of course the R’s are going to lose some house seats but not enough to flip the house.
Jim Griffin · June 23, 2018 at 8:31 am
1. The buck stops here, as they say, and in this case it's with DJT. This blame assignment -- court decisions (settlement agreements not court dictates), Obama this, Bush that -- is besides the point. It is game playing, finger pointing, political negotiating.
2. Yes, you are correct: It's DJT's zero tolerance policy that raised the furor. It's a negotiating tactic. If it were the same policy as his predecessors he wouldn't have crowed about his new zero tolerance policy, declaring he alone could solve this -- before switching and saying only Democrats could address it, then switching and addressing it himself with an executive order.
3. We get tens of thousands of speeders. A month. Perhaps a day. Sane to go zero tolerance? No, even less sane. Balance, discretion.
4. No, it's not always precisely legal. I've gone places for business meetings or lectures without a business visa or educational visa. Less border crap, more commerce.
5. Long ago, when I first came to DC, it was the AFL-CIO that fought hardest against illegal immigration, and it was "free-market" Conservatives who fought for open borders and the right of labor to move and meet "market needs" for lower labor costs, just as today it is farmers and business who invite transient help to pick crops or crabs or slaughter hogs or whatever.
6. If it's a court order we must follow then why am I reading today that the children are being reunited with their families? Again, a contradiction. This was unnecessary, new, a failed attempt at bargaining, and it's now been reversed without the involvement of judges.
5. Yes, Congress could pass a law -- many moderate Repubs are urging a vote Repub leaders refuse to allow, thus the discharge petition calling for a vote over their objection. Yesterday DJT asked them to await midterm outcomes.
Yes, most people want saner laws to address this mess. Who opposes such a vote? You know the answer.
Mid-terms cannot come soon enough.
stupid people · June 23, 2018 at 6:50 am
I agree with we you that we shouldnt seperate them.. I’ve as well worked and crossed many borders with a visa or passprt but what we did was legal. If we crossed illegally im pretty sure that it we would be throw in jail in or have to pay a bribe to get out. Mexico has some of the toughest laws regarding illegally crossing into it expecially on their sourthern border. Thats why the migrants pay over $6000 to the coyetes to get them thru mexico. To bribe officals on their way thru or they get sent to a mexican jail i bet.
Trump is doing the zero tolerance policy to try and stop the thousands of migrants from making this dangerous trip. Because they have all been told that if they make it to the united states border they can be free and live in the united states.
Im sure if we had tens of thousands of people speeding everday\month thru fauquier they would get stricter on them.
I agree with you that we shouldnt seperate the families but its a court order that they have to. Im not trying to finger point at any one I just wish the writer would have checked his facts before writing this.
Again Trump isnt doing anything obama didnt do in 2014 to try and stop this. He held migrants in cages and detention centers with there families until the 9th circiut court decided that the children could only be held for 20 days. Then he decided to do catch and release. That made the problem worse.
Congress could end all this by passing a law. But that will never happen because all they are worried about on both sides is keeping their jobs. They are not worried about these migrant famlies. They see it as a campain issue and once the mid terms are over it will die down and the media wont care anymore just like 2014. Then in 2020 if the same thing is going on it will get back in the news again.
Jim Griffin · June 23, 2018 at 5:23 am
It simply does not matter how we got to this point, it should end.
Trump announced a crackdown, a tough new "zero tolerance" policy -- apparently bargaining leverage, taunting "Democrats" to end this with a deal to fund his wall (which we were told Mexico would fund).
It cannot be read both ways -- either he was getting tougher (DJT's claim) or he was not (which negates his claim). Reap what you sow.
Zero tolerance is almost always bad policy for law enforcement, which is based on discretion and balance. Ought Sheriff Mosier enforce speed limits with "zero tolerance"? Productive?
My family and I cross many borders, I've worked in many countries. If there arises a work visa problem it would not, should not be addressed with our separation. Never happened, Statue of Liberty or not, society of immigrants or not.
The legality of entries like these is retrospective: Should we give the entrant asylum? Was the entry legal? Questions for a judge. We are discussing here what happens while we await that decision (apparently a misdemeanor with a small fine).
We needn't separate families in the process, regardless of who is president or the state of the law. Finger pointing -- apparently your point -- is besides the point. The last things we need are blame shifting and more wards of the state.
Bottom-line: We went from blaming Democrats -- POTUS claimed only they could address this -- to an Executive Order. That's progress, however achieved.
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 11:48 pm
Trump signed the eo to keep families together. The author sights a 93 supreme court case that doesnt even mention anything about having to release the children in 20 days. That number was what the 9th circiut came up with in their ruling in a 2015 case. Trump is trying to appeal that to keep the families together while they are in the detention centers awaiting their fate. They will either be deported back to their country or they will win the aslyum case. Its because of the 2015 ruling and the settlement in a 97 court case that the children have to be seperated from their families while their are awaiting their fate. It has nothing to do with trump. Trump just doesnt want to do catch and release with the illegal border crossers.Who dont even show up for their court dates when they were released into the usa. I just dont get all the outrage now when this has been going on for years before trump was elected. All trump is was doing was following the law . Google flores decision . im all for immigrants coming to this country just do it legally. Everybody in this country has to follow the laws that we have. Cant have two sets of laws. One for usa citzens and one for illegal border crossers. Now why dont you try to illegally cross into mexico with your family jim and see whats happen.
Jim Griffin · June 22, 2018 at 10:16 pm
I am too stupid to understand your point, if there is one. I read what you wanted us to read (nice dress!) and still am not sure I understand it, so you are right when you refer (I presume) to me as "stupid people."
On the other hand, I do get the author's point, as does apparently much of the world. Mid-terms cannot come soon enough.
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 9:56 pm
The 1993 supreme court decision sided with goverment in the flores case. Can somebody from fauquier now delete the wrong link i put in.
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 9:34 pm
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm
And if you are going to write an opinion article use real facts and not fake ones. https://www.venus.com/viewproduct.aspx?BRANCH=7~72~&storeID=1&ProductDisplayID=59853
It has nothing to do with a supreme court case. I even link to a liberal website so you wont accuse me of using a right wing site. It was a 1997 federal court case that obama tried not to enforce and lost in 2015 in the 9th circuit court. The most liberal court in america. A simple google search would have cleared this up for you.
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 9:06 pm
If you think Jared kusher should be in jail then you can say the same for obamas people.
stupid people · June 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm
Fake outrage. If you really cared you would have spoken up in 2014 when trump wasnt in office. Plus most of this children are showing up at the border with out any parents. Not one single dem cared in 2014 when it was happening. There was some protest about it but nobody covered it. Keep on pushing your lies and trump is going to win by a bigger margin in 2020.
BJ · June 22, 2018 at 5:02 pm
The Trump Administration picks and chooses which laws to follow, and they are getting away with it. Time to put a stop to the Trump reign of lies and deception!
martinkus · June 22, 2018 at 3:16 pm
The Trump administration is run by "schmendricks," plain and simple.
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