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July 2, 2018 · OPINION

Inhumane treatment violates our nation’s values

By Catherine Goin
and Adrienne Payette

“I Really Don’t Care, Do U?”

So said Melania Trump’s jacket when she was visiting the migrant children who have been brutally separated from their parents seeking asylum in the USA. Obviously Donald Trump, Melania and their self-serving sycophants don’t care and don’t care who knows!

Many of his followers, white evangelical Christians, never seem to have heard Jesus speak about harming His “little ones.” According to Matthew 8: 1-6, especially verse 6, if anyone “offends” one of His “little ones,” it would be better to tie a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea. And these migrant children and their parents are His “little ones.” How can we, as an immigrant nation, turn our backs on the travails and suffering of these people and treat them as common criminals? If they were Caucasian, we doubt there would be such hideous behavior on the part of a nation which prides itself on civility and helping the less fortunate.

And as for being drug traffickers, it would seem they are attempting to get away, with their families, from the dangers in their countries, partially caused by the incessant need for drugs from our wealthier and fortunate American citizens, who can’t seem to get enough of drugs of any kind and pay exorbitant prices for these drugs from any source.

Separating these youngsters and infants from their mothers and fathers is inhumane and, to our minds, torture resulting in trauma from which these people will probably never recover.

Hispanics traditionally put family first and take care of their own. Separating families and letting our government take their babies and put them in cages with inadequate care equates to inhumane torture. Our allies — Canada, Germany, France and others — are taking refuges seeking asylum in unparalleled numbers, and we have forcibly separated over 2,000 children of various ages. The international community is rightfully horrified by the treatment of these human beings by the American government.

The harm has been done and will most likely be unable to be rectified.

To quote Nelson Mandela: “As long as poverty, injustice and gross inequality persist in our world, none of us can truly rest.”

We can’t really rest, can U?
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BJ · July 9, 2018 at 3:10 pm
Trump needs to ease up on his daily dose of LSD and Fox News.
nonewtaxes · July 8, 2018 at 10:48 pm
Just keep drinking the kool aid jimmy. That way you never have to think for yourself.
Jim Griffin · July 8, 2018 at 9:17 pm
Former South Africa President FW de Klerk, Mandela's opposition:

"It was an honour for me to have been able to work with Mr Mandela in the process that led to the adoption of the interim constitution and our first democratic elections in April 1994. Although we were political opponents – and although our relationship was often stormy – we were always able to come together at critical moments to resolve the many crises that arose during the negotiation process."

"During his presidency, Mr Mandela did indeed use his great responsibility to assure South Africans from all our communities that he had all their interests at heart. He made a unique contribution not only to the establishment of our constitutional democracy but also to the cause of national reconciliation and nation-building."

"Nelson Mandela’s courage, charm and commitment to reconciliation and to the Constitution, were an inspiration not only for South Africans but for the whole world. I believe that his example will live on and that it will continue to inspire all South Africans to achieve his vision of non-racialism, justice, human dignity and equality for all."

"Tata, we shall miss you – but know that your spirit and example will always be there to guide us to the vision of a better and more just South Africa."

Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abott:

"The world mourns the passing of Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela will forever be remembered as more than a political leader, he was a moral leader. He spent much of his life standing against the injustice of apartheid. When that fight was won, he inspired us again by his capacity to forgive and reconcile his country. While the world may never see another Nelson Mandela, he has inspired countless men and women throughout the world to live more courageous and honest lives."

Vladimir Putin:

"Mandela, having gone through the most difficult ordeals, was committed to the end of his days to the ideals of humanism and justice."

Myanmar democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi:

"He made us all understand that nobody should be penalised for the colour of his skin, for the circumstances into which he is born. He also made us understand that we can change the world."

Charles, Prince of Wales:

"Mandela was the embodiment of courage and reconciliation. He was also a man of great humour and had a real zest for life. With his passing, there will be an immense void not only in his family’s lives, but also in those of all South Africans and the many others whose lives have been changed through his fight for peace, justice and freedom."
Jim Griffin · July 8, 2018 at 6:09 pm
Mandela's legacy in words from world leaders:

George Bush: "Laura and I join the people of South Africa and the world in celebrating the life of Nelson Mandela. President Mandela was one of the great forces for freedom and equality of our time. He bore his burdens with dignity and grace, and our world is better off because of his example. This good man will be missed, but his contributions will live on forever. Laura and I send our heartfelt sympathy to President Mandela’s family and to the citizens of the nation he loved.”

David Cameron (UK): "A great light has gone out in the world. Nelson Mandela was a towering figure in our time; a legend in life and now in death – a true global hero. Across the country he loved they will be mourning a man who was the embodiment of grace. Meeting him was one of the great honours of my life."

Obama: "My very first political action, the first thing I ever did that involved an issue or a policy or politics, was a protest against apartheid," said Obama. "I studied his words and his writings. The day that he was released from prison gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they're guided by their hopes and not by their fears."

Bill Clinton: "Today the world has lost one of its most important leaders and one of its finest human beings. History will remember Nelson Mandela as a champion for human dignity and freedom, for peace and reconciliation.

Tony Blair, the former British prime minister, said Mandela was a "great man" who had made racism "not just immoral but stupid". "I worked with him closely and remember well his visits to Downing Street. He was a wonderful man to be around, with a sharp wit, extraordinary political savvy and a lovely way of charming everyone in a building. He would delight in making sure that the person on the door or serving the tea would feel at home with him and be greeted by him with the same kindness and respect he would show a leader. So the warmth of his personality was equal to the magnitude of his contribution to the world."

Ban Ki-moon, the UN Sec Gen'l: "Africa has suffered from colonial rule and abuse of human rights and human dignity and it's only because of such a great man like Mandela that it is possible for people to live in human dignity. We have to learn from his determination and wisdom to make the world a better world."

In Dublin, Enda Kenny, the taoiseach, described the death as "a great light extinguished". "The name Mandela stirred our conscience and our hearts. It became synonymous with the pursuit of dignity and freedom across the globe," Kenny said.

The archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, said: "South Africa has lost its greatest citizen and its father. Nelson Mandela, fighting to the end, is freed to be with his God in joy and reward for his great service and sacrifice. We are challenged to show the same degree of humanity, of courage and of generosity."

Former prime minister Gordon Brown said: "Nelson Mandela was the greatest leader of our generation. A leader of magnanimity, fortitude, unshakeable optimism and, most of all, the most courageous man I ever met.

Former US sec of state Condoleezza Rice: "Throughout history, a few special people have been able to transcend differences and change the world for the better. Nelson Mandela was one of those people who had a vision for human rights and equality. Those beliefs made him the father of multi-ethnic democracy in South Africa. All freedom-loving people will miss him, but we will never forget his sacrifice and his achievements."

Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister, referenced his country's own independence leader Gandhi. "A giant among men has passed away. This is as much India's loss as South Africa's. He was a true Gandhian. His life and work will remain a source of eternal inspiration for generations to come. I join all those who are praying for his soul."

Japan's prime minister, Shinzo Abe, described Mandela as a "great leader" who "fought with a strong will to eliminate apartheid and achieved a great deal by putting national reconciliation at the centre of his nation-building". The foreign minister, Fumio Kishida, said: "I wish to express my heartfelt respect for the achievements of the former South African president and hope that the government and people of South Africa will overcome their grief and go on to further develop their country."

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, said Mandela "was never haughty. He worked to heal rifts within South African society and succeeded in preventing outbreaks of racial hatred." Shimon Peres, president of Israel, praised Mandela as "a builder of bridges of peace and dialogue who paid a heavy personal price for his struggle in the years he spent in prison and fighting for his people".
nonewtaxes · July 8, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Mandela was appointed as a puppet leader by the global government after investment into south africa began to dry up due to the guilt of white rule.

Mandelas legacy is a country of racism and rape.

Jim Griffin · July 8, 2018 at 12:46 pm
We celebrate overthrowing governments -- especially apartheid -- and fund others to do so. How soon you forget after the Fourth of July, but then many Republican leaders were celebrating the day in Moscow this year.

Mandela's legacy is the peaceful overthrow (from a prison cell) of South Africa's apartheid government, for which he earned among other accolades the Nobel Peace Prize and the US Presidential Medal of Freedom.

It was Reagan who falsely labelled Mandela a terrorist. The Voice of America website tells part of the story:

"In 1986, Congress approved a law (The Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act) imposing tough U.S. economic sanctions against South Africa. President Ronald Reagan opposed the measure and vetoed it. But days later, lawmakers overrode his veto."

Former Republican Senator Richard Lugar supported the sanctions.

"This led the South African government, I believe, to reconsider its policies not immediately but certainly under the dint of the difficult sanctions that were there," he said. "And it led to the freedom of Nelson Mandela."

Apartheid ended in 1994, and Nelson Mandela was elected South Africa's president. During a state visit to Washington he thanked Americans for their support.

"You have no idea how your involvement in the anti-apartheid struggle in our country actually helped to facilitate the transformation," he said.
nonewtaxes · July 8, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Not referring to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist displays a special level of ignorance and political white washing.

It is a fact that Mandela was on the US list of terrorists. His legacy is one of racism and rape.

Mandela was no King or Gandhi. Mandela chose a path of violence. Mandela met with foreign agents to talk about overthrowing the government. In the US we call that treason.
Jim Griffin · July 7, 2018 at 8:18 pm
Referring to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist displays the special level of ignorance the Koch Brothers and others avoid, stain and taint of Charlottesville, Confederate Flags and their defenders.

Lest we forget, Mandela was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating a peaceful end to apartheid. George Bush awarded Mandela the President Medal of Freedom with dozens of nations honoring him with equivalent awards.

America was born of the rockets' red glare, a nation of "terrorists" fighting for freedom, just as did Mandela (though he did it from a prison cell). If Mandela was a terrorist, so too should we all be "terrorists" resolute against apartheid.
martinkus · July 7, 2018 at 11:53 am
Mr. Trump and his so called highly qualified and really, really, smart people running the government (including several members of Congress) may be defined as "schmendricks." Mr. Trump, in my opinion, is very qualified to serve as the poster boy for the 25th amendment. He has destroyed what used to be the Republican Party-sad! Just look at the U.S. Senate candidate the Republicans nominated in Virginia-OMG! The Koch Brothers are staying away - that should tell you something!
nonewtaxes · July 6, 2018 at 12:55 pm
If you looked at measures of the economy: low unemployment, high growth, and managed inflation you might be correct to assume the economy is doing great. However, once you learn that its a Trump economy you get disgusted. That's due to your own personal bias and ignorance.

Tariffs hurting the economy? Not likely as much as you might think. Compare the US stock market to the Chinese stock market and decide who will win.

Tax cuts taking trillions out of the economy? That's a line of BS. All taxes due is transfer wealth. It doesn't remove money from the economy it just changes who gets the money. The tax cuts put money back into the hand of those who earn it and out of those who are entitled to it.

What does all of this have to do with the author of this article defending her concept of US values while ending her argument quoting a terrorist?
Silii · July 6, 2018 at 9:54 am
As hard as I try, I can find nothing positive about Trump and his administration.

His and his children's businesses in China, and internationally, continue to make huge profits while his tariffs on goods we export to China and other countries go into effect today. Ivanka has had over 20 copyright and manufacturing licenses approved in China for her businesses. Neither Trump nor his children have any intention of bringing their manufacturing and businesses back to the US. Trump continues to get at least 40 work permits for Mar a Lago while seasonal businesses across the US are losing money and going bankrupt this season because they can no longer get foreign seasonal workers, the hospitality industry and crab picking in VA and MD come to mind. The Swamp is full of very wealthy appointees who have made millions just on the tax reform bill alone, to say nothing of their personal investments over which they have control because they control monetary and tax policy. His appointees have been allowed to cost taxpayers millions of dollars just in new furniture and other things to which they feel entitled, after all, it isn't their money. Trump continues to insult women, Senator McCain, the free press, anyone not caucasian. He loves Putin and has no clue that the Russians are really, really good at making nice nice with their fingers crossed behind their backs. Putin is so happy that Trump is destroying NATO - nothing serves Russia better than a weak Europe and NATO. Trump has pulled us out of important trade pacts but the rest of the world is simply forming their own trade agreements without the US so they will be boosting their economies while ours continues to crash. He continues to diss our national security agencies, blatantly alleging that their work is fake or wrong. Really? You folks out there who work in intelligence and national security - really? Trump is filling the White House with former employees of Fox News, most recently Bill Shine who was ousted from Fox News because of his culpability in the sex scandals at Fox. The potential new chief of EPA is a coal lobbyist who has no respect for the environment. The tax reform bill actually raised taxes of millions of middle class, especially seniors. I won't even comment on what's happening at the southern border. His tariff on newsprint is a blatant attack on the free written press. Even our local paper is suffering because of that tariff.

You folks out there who love Trump, love that he grabs women's genitals, love his hatred, bigotry, narcissism, ignorance and lack of leadership, love his attack on basic Constitutional rights - what, oh what is it about him that you love so much once you sit back and look objectively at what he is doing to the United States.

Why do you think all these crooked/rigged/entitled/emoluments clause violations are OK? Where is your honesty? Your ethics? Why is it OK to hate immigrants and their children because they are doing what people have done for centuries - try to save themselves and their children? Why is it OK to disrespect women? To gut public education? To kiss up to North Korea who, apparently, is moving fast forward with nuclear warhead development. Why is it OK to insult other world leaders? Why is it OK to spew hatred and encourage disrespect? Why do you fall for it? Are you blindly giving up your values and ethics and morals, or did you lack them, like him, all the time? Are these things the focus of your prayers in church every Sunday? Apparently so.

Local farmers, especially soybean farmers, who most likely supported Trump - are you prepared to go under because of the Chinese tariff on soybeans? Is this what you voted for when you supported Trump? Do you not understand that he lies?

Watch your investments go down and down and down. Watch your hard earned money get eaten up from higher and higher prices. Watch educational services diminish. Watch what happens to your taxes come tax return time next year. You've all been had and all of us are suffering because of it.

BJ · July 6, 2018 at 8:04 am
While everyone's eyes are on the border and separation of families, our nation is under attack from the White House under the guise of tariffs.

If you wanted to destroy the USA, Trump is following a perfect road map to do it. All these trade wars are going to be shocks to the economy that will throw people out of work, cause inflation, and lead to recession and then depression.

Taking trillions out of the government with tax cuts for the rich has pulled the rug out from under us and there won’t be any cushion for the collapse. It will come hard and fast.

Putin has been plotting this for years. We have always been his enemy and he rightfully blames the USA for decades of depression and hard times in Russia since their economy collapsed after Afghanistan. What he doesn’t get is that it was a consequence of bad behavior.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, there was a chance for Russia to rejoin the world but their hardliners wanted the empire back. Putin ascended and took control and Russia went back to all the old ways - killing opposition (literally), attacks against dissent on foreign soil, controlling the press, and expanding control.

I have to hand it to Putin. He saw the weakest link in the USA — greed — and exploited it. Through careful placement of operatives, coordinated use of media, and a brilliant campaign of divide and conquer, they got their guy in the White House and now he’s making hay. It’s so beyond the pale that people don’t trust their own eyes and continue to allow it. Republicans even go to Russia and grovel about being friends as the noose tightens around us.

The USA is in for hard times and it’s going to get really bad here. There won’t be any bottom until republicans accept they have been used as useful idiots by the Russians, the saboteur is removed from office, and the bleeding is stopped. Even then, this country is staring into the abyss and it can be a long way down especially since the cultivated divisions are all still in place and so many are armed to the teeth.

We are at war and don’t even realize it from all sides, and Trump has alienated our allies, so we're on our own this time.
Jim Griffin · July 5, 2018 at 5:09 pm
NNT: Your words speak for themselves; No reply needed from me.

Apparently you cannot read or understand the sentence I wrote: "Breaking US law speaks for itself and should be treated accordingly."

You remain an anonymous coward too ashamed to stand behind your words. But then who would want to be associated with your approving observation that separating families is justifiable as a political tactic?
nonewtaxes · July 5, 2018 at 4:46 pm
Little Jimmy,

Ifn what Trump was doing was illegal itd be challenged in court just like the travel ban and the judge would stop it. Aint happened yet.

Aint no doubt we are a nation of immigrant families. All duly processed and legal. Aint no one bitchn bout the legal immigration, people bitchn about the illegal immigration. Liberals like yourself cant separate the two because than you would be supporting illegal immigration ie you would say the rule of law matters not.

You should support the building of the wall little jimmy. aint no better education to an unwanted immigrant then to come upon a massive wall at the border top with razor wire and armed guards. Nos that's a human action. It prevents illegal families from invading the USA thus preventing them from being split up.

Of course, little jimmy, its not within your scope to realize that the splitting of families is a tactic designed to get the dems to sign off on a wall as part of the immigration bill.

I can say it again little jimmy that legal immigration is supported. Its the illegal immigration that aint but you cant accept that.

Uno mas jimmy, goodlatte can propose what he wants. That's his job. It aint law unless signed by the the pres. You think maybe goodlattte's idea got quashed early because the visitors wouldnt be going home.

Ifn the american people have to finance farm labor to the crops can be picked maybe the american people should have some pricing power like for utilities so that the american consumer do not get hurt. It aint like the Bob Dole family needs any more money. DOnt have pickers? Buy more John Deere trackers. They be made in the USA.

You aint never got nothin jimmy. You are the poster child of buzz words and cherry picked web articles. Practice what it is you preach. Kepp the doors of your house open. Open house jimmy just like open borders.
Jim Griffin · July 5, 2018 at 8:59 am
Hahaha, the "Little Jimmy" maneuver, so Trumpian and petty. Shows you got nothing. Reminds us you are anonymous and therefore lack credibility. You hide and snipe, ashamed to stand behind your words. Coward.

Here's the rule of law for you, NNT. Read it and weep:

Misdemeanor with a fine between $50 and $250.

It's more illegal to speed +20 down 66; Misdeameanor with bigger fines and greater consequences. American values, indeed -- we are a nation of immigrant families.

There have been occasional family separations for various reasons for many years, but this incident evolves from Little Donny's zero tolerance policy, which backfired in his face. He reversed it before he was eviscerated by his allies because the claims repeated by you are false.

As regards Goodlatte, it invites more to visit, almost half a million, and we need them. Going home after the job is done, right? Sure! That's the ticket, NNT! Or whatever your name is.
nonewtaxes · July 5, 2018 at 8:48 am
Little jimmy making it personal again.

"Undocumented immigrants who are currently in the United States illegally would not be eligible for this program, according to Goodlatte’s proposal."

They aint immigrants. They are temporary workers who need to go home after the job is done.

What are American values? IF American values the rule of law than shouldn't illegal aliens be treated as breaking the law? How much did you cry about family separations under Obama?

Jim Griffin · July 5, 2018 at 2:12 am
I drew a distinction between the two, so your anonymous comment is both irrelevant and rambling.

There is no serious conversation with you about immigration in part because you cannot accept that I did acknowledge some are illegal -- as does Republican Goodlatte, who seeks to convert 450,000 from illegal to legal.

Businesses want the workers. The remainder of us want civility in the process.
nonewtaxes · July 4, 2018 at 8:31 pm
Aint arguing against legal immigration. Arguing against illegal immigration. Liberals love to not separate the two but they are, in fact, very different.

Until you can accept that some of the immigrants are illegal itd be tough to have serious conversation about immigration.
Jim Griffin · July 3, 2018 at 8:11 am
Breaking US law speaks for itself and should be treated accordingly.

Seeking asylum in the US does not violate US law. Educate and urge asylum seekers to do so at ports of entry, where it is unquestionably legal to do so.

Unnecessary separation of families is un-American, inconsistent with our values and must be minimized.

Immigrants are woven into the fabric of America. We need them. If you think this is a liberal notion, see Virginia Republican Bob Goodlatte's proposal to admit 450,000 more:

Or do you prefer our crops rot in our fields?
nonewtaxes · July 2, 2018 at 6:41 pm
It doesn't seem so distasteful to you that you are willing to leave because your moral compass is spinning in a tizzy. Your life has benefited from all of that inhumane treatment. Wouldn't justice be served if you purged yourself of all the benefits granted to you in the present that were paid for by inhumanities of the past?

Regardless of all of the inhumanities of the US is it not the best place in the world to live and the best hope for human rights going forward?

What should we do about slave owners George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Should all references to these immoral persons be removed from our history?

BJ · July 2, 2018 at 5:54 pm
Inhumane treatment was how this country made itself sad to say, remember the African Slaves brought here against their will to make white men rich, the Native Americans forced from where they lived to make way for the White man? The Chinese who built the railroads, the Japanese and Hispanics that worked in the fields and orchards to feed the white man? This country does not have a virtuous past, and with the present administration it looks like we are destined to repeat the past in ways most of us never thought possible in our lifetime.
nonewtaxes · July 2, 2018 at 3:59 pm
Perhaps we should open borders and greet all with a Mandela necklace?
Uh....No · July 2, 2018 at 3:34 pm
There are laws against illegal immigration just like other laws we have, all of which separate children from parents when one or the other or both parents break said laws.

Your Trump bashing liberal mantra here has failed. Do you have any idea the burden illegal immigration places on our financial system? Apparently not.

Don't want them separated? Fine either get legal or send them all back together.

You like how "France, Germany, Canada and others" handling their immigration? Fine don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out. In fact maybe you can convince all those in Hollywood to finally go with you because not one of them that said they were gonna leave have left either. In fact, I'll buy you a one way ticket!

MR. TRUMP ..... forget the the Space Force ...... BUILD THAT WALL NOW !!

Then take the $116 billion annually we will save and spend on a better healthcare system than the last administration came up with, improving infrastructure, reducing taxes, helping our own depressed areas of families, children the US that could use a boost. Most importantly take better care of our fallen and wounded veterans and their families because the two that wrote this article and the one commented obviously think that criminals that have kids should get off, the last president could have changed this policy of separation but did not, and the continued with the separation. He could have fixed Heath care too but blew that one as well.

Sorry but it's time for AMERICA FIRST!

blpeo76 · July 2, 2018 at 11:45 am
Thank you, Betsy and Adrienne. Well said.
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