January 7, 2019 · OPINION
No “national emergency” along U.S. southern border
By Catherine E. Goin
Adrienne M. Payette
We are horrified at the idea of Donald Trump declaring a national emergency to build a wall that is clearly not needed on the southern border.
This is dictatorial and anti-American. There is no national emergency. What he should address is the millions of prosperous Americans demanding and spending millions (perhaps billions) of dollars on illegal drugs to feed their dependencies. It is ruining the lives of both Americans and people south of the border who are being threatened by the drug cartel members.
Mr. Trump obviously doesn’t care about America or freedom. His ego is paramount. It seems he would like to do away with the power of Congress entirely and rule as a dictator like his pals, Kim Jung-un and Vladimir Putin. He is hurting the U.S.A. by his partial government shutdown over the issue of this wall and his demand that at least 420,000 citizens work for no pay and about 380,000 are furloughed while giving his cronies a $10,000 pay raise.
When is there going to be an end to this insanity and hatred of our country, its laws, democracy and common decency?
There is no reasonable explanation why this madness is being allowed. Why the reluctance to impeach him? Why haven’t impeachment proceedings started?
President Clinton was impeached for sexual impropriety in one instance, while Mr. Trump laughingly admitted to his abuse and hatred of women. Why is this behavior begin condoned?
Could it be that we are missing something?
Savefauquiercounty2019 · February 18, 2019 at 7:13 pm
Total illegal aliens in the US 25,783,464. But a wall per these two isn't needed.
Total cost American tax payers are paying for illegals a year 35,755,102,208.
Illegals caught at the border 25,244 in 2019.
Mark House · February 10, 2019 at 2:31 pm
How is that the border issue is more of a national emergency now then it was say 2 years ago? 2 years ago the Republicans were in the majority in the House and Senate, yet what do they do? Instead of funding money to build Trump's wall they did tax reform giving tax cuts to the rich and attacked the ACA. They had a chance to work on border security but decided to help their friends and themselves. The Democrats have every right as do other Americans who do not want this wall to protest against being BLACKMAILED by the POTUS.
Mark House · February 9, 2019 at 9:39 pm
Want to stop drug abuse? Find and arrest the dealers. Want to stop illegal immigration? Find and arrest the employers who hire the illegals in the first place, encouraging them to come here with promises of jobs. Congressman Devin Nunes' family dairy farm in Iowa wouldn't exist if it weren't for the illegals doing the milking, feeding, and care of the cows.
Tony Bentley · February 4, 2019 at 7:15 pm
Trump businesses hired illegals for YEARS. Do you consider him an "honest" businessman? Really?
The sky is falling, the sky is falling Savefauquiercounty2019. Look out and put your Make America Great Again hard hat on fast.
Savefauquiercounty2019 · February 2, 2019 at 8:58 pm
Illegal entry is dangerous. The USA has immigration laws. It is a crime to enter or overstay your visa.
These two who wrote the article could care less about how many laws the dishonest businesses break when hiring an illegal.
They do not follow: US labor laws,
Ph dept guidelines hence ecoli, esbl, hepatitis, salmonella in our foods
These dishonest employers are not paying
Health care benefits
Soooooooooooooo, the honest businesses can't compete when the dishonest ones are also just paying chump change.
These two Democrat women who wrote this bold article don't care that the socialist now wants the honest business to pay almost double the amount of min wage to nonskilled workers while the dishonest employers continue to laugh the tax payers out of town.
Illegals are getting their long term care paid for by hospitals while American seniors pay $7000 a month.
Walk away from these extremists. Ms13gangs are recruiting your middle schoolers. America does have an opioid crisis, epidemic which stems from the drugs pouring across our borders. But yet democrats want you to think it is all made up.
nonewtaxes · January 27, 2019 at 9:38 am
well maybe no emergency now but it will be one in 3 weeks by presidential declaration
what did np win? Not anything.
Now that the government is open she ahs no reason to uninvite trump for SOTU address in front of congress
trump build the wall with emergency powers citing human trafficking and drugs and gangs as threats to the us
np loses the concessions trump was making for daca
if no wall $$ in three weeks np takes the blame because it wa trump that announces he opened the government, if it closes it will fall on np
Tony Bentley · January 24, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Here is a national emergency - "They called him “The Plug,” slang for drug slinger, and authorities said he kept a gun tucked at his side, boasting he was “always ready to shoot.”
Bobby Perkins Jr. was also always ready to sell. He would drive from Virginia to a D.C. parking lot with a rental car full of guns, locals told authorities, unloading them from the trunk to whomever would buy. His customers included rivals in a feud between crews in the Northeast Washington neighborhoods where he had grown up.
Perkins, 29, is now in prison for trafficking guns and drugs. The case is an extreme example of how guns regularly flow into the District from Virginia, fueling rising homicides and other crimes; police said most of the firearms that flood the District are bought and resold one by one.
“The District functionally has no gun dealers and a serious gun problem,” said Thomas L. Chittum III, chief of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’s Washington field office. “Those guns aren’t falling from the sky, they’re being trafficked.”
Of the 224 guns prosecutors know Perkins sold in just five months of 2015, 94 have been recovered at crime scenes from Virginia to New York, officials said. Five were linked to homicides — two in the District, one in Prince George’s County.
One was used to kill Perkins’s teenage cousin."
Todd M · January 22, 2019 at 4:16 pm
I'm not sure I understand the point(s) of the OP, other than possibly just a Trump bashing piece.
My 1 question to you is - do you lock the doors and windows of your homes at night? If so why is that any different than us building a physical barrier to keep illegals out?
If you feel that strongly against the wall why don't you invite the people that come here illegally to stay at your house?
The only thing missing is your factual understanding of our national security concerns
JohnnyD · January 18, 2019 at 12:44 pm
President Trump is asking for $5.7 billion out of a budget of $4.407 trillion.
So to put that in an understandable perspective; he is asking for $57 out of an annual household budget of $44,070. Imagine saying we are not going to work or pay our bills until we give up the idea of spending $57 to put up a fence across our yard to protect our property and children from preventable dangers. That is exactly what Pelosi and Schumer have done.
Of course there a plenty of people that don't want a border wall built. They include drug cartels, sex traffickers, gun smugglers, MS-13, convicted deported rapists, and the new democratic party. So sad for our future freedoms and safety.
nonewtaxes · January 18, 2019 at 7:21 am
BTW wasnt holding up E Gemany. Was commenting on the wall. The wall has no politics. The wall was effective. It doesnt matter if it was E German wall, Israeli wall, the walls around a fort, a snow fence. The point was that walls make a great barrier to movement. They do so because of gravity. People cannot easily get past something as simple as a wall. That why doors wee invented. Maybe you don't understand the concept of a wall. Only the french may have had a wall that failed but that was more of a line then a wall.
Until people can overcome gravity, a wall makes a simple and effective barrier. Now if the commie e germans were able to build a wall 60 years ago, how is it you find it impossible to do now?
Demosthenes · January 18, 2019 at 12:27 am
BTW, it's pretty rare that you see Americans holding up East Germany on a pedestal. Seriously, if you all want to come up with a successful wall example from the past can't you do it without picking something that was a symbol of oppression and misery? It just sounds so un-American.
MHC · January 17, 2019 at 10:09 pm
It’s funny that you put all the blame on Trump for what’s going on now, but that’s an easy fix isn’t it. Every administration since Reagan has said that there is a problem with illegal immigration....most asking for a barrier of some sort. Democrats wanted 40 billion to take care of the problem a few short years ago and 5.7 is too much now. Also a few short years ago every “main stream” media and most democrats were calling it a “national emergency” but the new buzz word is “immoral “. You have the democrats unwilling to even come to the table to solve the problem and instead go vacationing in Puerto Rico and today tried to go off on a good will trip to Sweden. Get real .....and by the way you have to have a reason to “impeach” a president...maybe you can wait until he is found quilty of something. Face it your “opinion” is based on the fact that Trump won the last election....plain and simple.....
Tony Bentley · January 17, 2019 at 7:23 pm
nonewtaxes - You forgot something didn't you? Trump's campaign promise was that MEXICO would pay for the WALL, not that it would come out of the USA's budget. The details will get you every time.
nonewtaxes · January 17, 2019 at 8:05 am
Yea demom can't tell the difference between illegal and legal getting into the country. Dems keep trying to mix all the issues together. Illegals crossing the border aint the same issue as legally coming into the country.
nonewtaxes · January 16, 2019 at 7:46 pm
The Berlin wall was built as a physical barrier to prevent easy travel. Was difference does it make whether it was to stop coming in or going out? The wall itself is not political, its just a thing.
Its not just a personal whim. Its a campaign promise. When you run on a platform you should try to succeed in delivering. Not like saving $2500 on your health insurance or keeping your doctor if you want to or drawing a line in the sand and then tucking up and under.
You blame Trump for the shut down yet Pelosi can end it also. Can she not just say build the wall and move on?
Rover 530 · January 16, 2019 at 1:37 am
The Berlin Wall was built by the Russian-backed East German government to keep people IN. The proposed wall on our Southern border would be built by the Russian-backed Trump Administration to keep people OUT.
The Berlin Wall was built almost overnight and lasted around 30 years and was eventually taken down as was the East German government that built it. The Trump Wall will take years to be built (if it ever will) and who knows how long it will be effective (if at all)? How long will the Trump administration last? One more year? Maybe Two? In the worst case, maybe six. In any span of time, will we find out if Trump's Wall will do what he thinks it will do, or will the American taxpayers find out it was just a personal whim of the president and re-directed billions of dollars from important issues that could be realistically be achieved?
Hundreds of thousands of American federal employees are not working and many of them forced to work without pay. Do you think they're motivated by Trump's Wall? They're the president's workers and they serve the American people. Can the president afford to alienate that many voters when he could solve the crisis of the government (that he leads) collapsing and costing taxpayers tens or possibly hundreds of billions of dollars in lost productivity.
In our country's history, terrible, hard-fought wars have not brought it to it's knees. But now the actions of one emotionally deficient man may do what our enemies could not. We need border security but we need a functioning government to achieve it.
Demosthenes · January 15, 2019 at 9:01 pm
Wow, I finally get it.
Here is the important quote from your post: "To say that international flights are the same as illegal immigration is even dumber..."
It becomes clear that you (and other Trumpers?) don't know about the importance of flights and illegal immigration.
The reality is that the majority of illegal immigrants come here on legal visas, for example tourist visas, student visas, and temporary work visas. Most of those fly here. Some come through legal ports of entry on the ground. And then when their visa expires they don't get onto the return flight that they are supposed to be on, and our government has no idea where they are.
Estimates for the percent of illegal immigrants who are overstaying on legal visas range from a low-ball estimate of about 60% to estimates of nearly 80%, depending on the source.
Once again, walls don't actually fix the problems that we currently have. I'm not hoping that problems go away. I want a leader who understands a complicated situation and can come up with a real response.
nonewtaxes · January 15, 2019 at 3:24 pm
yep, mexico doesn't nab many people trying to cross the border back into mexico
Just forget the wall. Lay a 5 mile wide minefield.
JohnnyD · January 15, 2019 at 1:04 pm
I just read that some right wingers climbed Pelosi's wall and set up a sanctuary for illegal immigrants. Pelosi immediately called the police to remove it. The hypocrisy emanating from the democrat leadership is astounding. It is good for the country, just not on my property.
NNT-all one needs to do is look at the figures of those killed trying to get over the Berlin Wall to get out of the east side to the west. No one was killed trying to get into East Berlin because the conditions were better in that socialist hole. People in this country better wake up before it is too late.
nonewtaxes · January 15, 2019 at 10:11 am
Between 1949 and 1961 approximately 210,000 (yearly average) east germans moved from the east to the west.
From 1962 to 1988 that yearly average fell to 20,904.
The difference in east to west migration was the Berlin wall. Walls work. Walls have worked for thousands of years. Its a simple solution to a complicated problem.
If you can't see the anology of your house to your country with respect to having a wall and a door to manage the flow of people you need better glasses.
To use the car in the middle of the desert is so irrelevant is beyond dumb. To say that international flights are the same as illegal immigration is even dumber unless of course you imagine jets full of illegal immigrants pulling a DC Cooper.
I hope you are getting the therapy you require. I feel bad about trying to engage in a rational conversation with you when you are clearly unable to rationalize. Remember to click your heels and think happy thoughts. That'll fix the problem.
nonewtaxes · January 14, 2019 at 9:58 pm
Yeah, all them international flights dont go through customs nor do they need passports nor are there restricted fly lists. Obviously you are in the middle of the desert and I'm not talking about your car.
Demosthenes · January 13, 2019 at 8:30 pm
I don't want you showing up at my door. Obviously, the subtlety of my sarcastic post regarding the comparison between locking doors and building walls is lost on some.
Let's try again. My house is not the same as a country, and to try to make that a valid comparison is dumb when our president tries to do it, and dumb when you do too. I don't know how many international flights come into our country everyday. Hundreds, or thousands? I don't have any international flights coming into my attic on any given day. That is a big difference. I can control people coming into or out of my house whether my door is locked or not, but unless we are going to end international flights we have problems as a country that can't be solved by walls.
As I was saying about a car in the middle of the desert...anyone who goes through a desert to steal a car is not going to be deterred by locked doors. Anyone currently making the trek into our country illegally through rough territory will not be stopped by a wall. Or if they are, they will buy a boat, or a fake passport, or a truck with hidden compartments that can go through a regular point of entry, etc. There are some bad hombres out there, but building a wall in the middle of lands that most people can't cross on foot isn't going to stop them.
Here is the biggest problem with the wall argument. Trump, and his supporters, are trying to sell everyone on the idea that all of our most complicated problems can be solved by the most simplest of solutions.
We have a drug problem in our country. Trump has said that if we had a wall we wouldn't have a drug problem. I really wish that was true. But the truth is that as long as we have as many addicts as we do, then Mexicans and others who want to make money off of illegal drug sales will find a way to do it. Building a wall doesn't end our demand for drugs. A wall would make it a little harder for drug dealers to move product, and I'm not opposed to that, but I am opposed to the argument that this would solve our drug problem. Perhaps a complicated problem like this needs a more thoughtful solution, dealing with many layers of police, rehab, education, etc.
Trump has implied that if we build a wall then MS13 will cease to be a threat. I know of a kid, through a friend of a friend, who joined MS13. He was born here. But he didn't do well in school, and realized that he could make more money with organized crime than he could at minimum wage. As long as our schools continue to fail some percentage of Hispanic Americans, then MS13 will grow whether we have walls or not. It is a complicated problem, and we need more than a wall. We need good schools that serve all students well.
Back when Trump was on the campaign trail, he claimed that he would create a solution for our healthcare problems. He promised that it would be so easy, and everyone would be covered, and it would be cheaper, and we would all love it. A month into his presidency, he met with healthcare policy experts, and came out of the meeting saying, "Who knew healthcare could be so complicated?" I'll never forget that. It was a day in which it was clear that his promise for simple solutions couldn't actually work.
Many people outside of the Trump movement see the wall as the next broken promise for simple solutions. Trump wants us to believe that a wall can fix our immigration problems, our crime problems, and our drug problems. People are tired of being told that the solutions to our complicated problems are simple, as long as we trust what he says. People are ready for real solutions, even if they are complicated and hard. This president isn't capable of that kind of leadership. It doesn't match his brand. Many of us realize it is time to look for new leadership...
nonewtaxes · January 13, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Thats just great. Publish your address here so people can come and go at will just like you want at the border. Practice what you preach.
Maybe you are one of the people Tb talks about so I'll be explicit for you. The doors on your house allow you to control who comes and goes form your house. The wall would have doors on it too and allow the US to control who comes and go. If doors are good for you why arent they good enough for everybody??
Cammie Rodgers · January 13, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Mayday - A nation with a treasonous leader is doomed. Have you experienced firsthand any of the points you wrote, do you work with human trafficking victims, drug addicts dying from Fentanyl, or have seen a MS-13 member actually hack someone apart? Didn't think so.....just spreading propaganda....making you the leftist in the room.
Mayday · January 13, 2019 at 2:45 pm
So human trafficking, constant rape of female (including child) migrants, constant drugs that kill Americans coming across the border (80% of heroin comes thru the Southern border plus enough Fentanyl to kill every US citizen), and MS-13 members who hack people apart with machetes coming here aren't creating a national crisis ? ? ? Wherever there is an effective barrier in place illegal border crossings drop dramatically. The President never "laughingly admitted to his abuse and hatred of women." That is all propaganda by a Trump-hating leftist media. There are zero grounds for impeachment. These women offer pure yet shameful hysterical leftist drivel. A nation without secure borders is doomed.
Demosthenes · January 12, 2019 at 11:50 pm
Nonewtaxes...why do you assume that I lock my car? Or my home? To be honest I forget to more than half the time.
And if I parked my car in the middle of a desert in New Mexico I'd probably be less likely to lock it. Really, what'd be the point? Anyone willing to walk through a desert to steal my ride is probably gonna take it whether the doors are locked or not.
nonewtaxes · January 12, 2019 at 1:52 am
Tb you be just like little jimmy. say one thing and you twist it around. You referred to the danger of school shootings. I reply that auto accidents will kill more school age children than shootings. They happen everyday and can probably be reduced with better driver ed. You aint gonna stop a determined person from shooting anybody. Of course you expand the topic from school shootings to all shootings.
Explain for me this. What are the like stats for the Amish. I've notice that even though the Amish are passive most are armed for hunting. Even they are armed they dont go around shooting each other up.
Still, for all of you that are against the wall, please explain why? And also explain why you lock you house and your car and your phone but leaving the border open is ok.
martinkus · January 11, 2019 at 9:06 pm
Herr Trump is beginning to lose the support of his "crazed base" and therefore MUST win the southern border battle with the Democrats in order to gin up his base for the 2020 election cycle. This despot/tyrant will do anything (including fabricating the truth) to deflect any responsibility for the current shutdown; i.e., holding federal workers hostage for his "big and beautiful wall" that Mexico was supposed to pay for. His current BIG problem is that he has met his match with Speaker Pelosi. Herr Trump will not be able to push Nancy Pelosi aside in order to get his way! What an embarrassment he is as president!
JohnnyD · January 11, 2019 at 5:29 pm
"Where is our "wall" against the white, mentally ill, young men, who have access to a weapon?"
Not a racist comment? Please explain what a wall protecting hard to patrol areas of our borders has to do with mentally ill white men.
We used to put potentially violent people into mental institutions. The ACLU has been successful in their legal cases to stop incarcerating anyone not convicted of a crime. Now these violent, mentally ill people are free to roam among us and slip thru the cracks until something tragic happens. Completely a different problem than gun & drug couriers, and human traffickers crossing a border.
Cammie Rodgers · January 11, 2019 at 5:02 pm
There are many issues in our country that need addressed. A teacher once told me, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Tony Bentley · January 11, 2019 at 4:55 pm
JohnnyD - how is it racist to state the facts...."The statistic shows the number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and November 19, 2018, by race and ethnicity of the shooter(s). Between 1982 and November 2018, 60 out of 107 mass shootings were initiated by White shooters. The Las Vegas strip massacre in 2017 had the highest number of victims between 1982 and 2018, with 58 people killed, and over 500 injured." And let's not forget Timothy McVeigh.
JohnnyD · January 11, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Rover-you obviously only follow liberal news reports. I have friends in FEMA that have been involved in all the crises you speak of. To say Trump ignored them is ludicrous.
He had an airport in Puerto Rico cleaned up asap and supplies shipped in. The socialist democratic mayor was quick to get supplies to her rich ruling class compadres, but not so much to the poor. Their supplies just piled up and up. And she had allowed the infrastructure to decay long before the hurricane hit. I was told by friends dispatched there you could tell the conditions and infrastructures in the poor, rural areas had been dismal for some time. Welcome to the reality of socialism!
Trump also did what he was supposed to in Houston and California. No, he is not a smooth talker like Obama. Where were all your concerns on the many lies Obama told? Just wait until Trump leaves 4 to be tortured and killed in an embassy,then blames it on a video.
People didn't vote for Trump because of his talking abilities. I personally don't like his egotistical attitude or childish tweets. I do like his agenda to keep this a free constitutional republic, so I can overlook his shortcomings like the media did for Obama.
And where were your concerns on previous government shutdowns? This isn't the first one. In 2013 Obama built fence walls around the memorials, hmmmmm they must work.
Immigration reform has been called for since the 80's. Instead of whining about the President; Pelosi, Schumer, and all the others should be drafting a complete immigration reform bill (including increased border protection) and put it on Trump's desk. If he vetoes it then they can complain. That is how things on Capitol Hill are supposed to work.
And why did the DNC build a fence wall around their convention to keep protestors out if walls are unnecessary and not worth the cost? I guess keeping protestors away from Hillary is much more important than keeping the gun and drug cartels out of the country.
JohnnyD · January 11, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Tony-please expand on your firearm deaths, particulary the homicides. People determined to commit suicide will figure out a way, firearms or not.
How many homicides were committed by law abiding gun owners versus criminals with illegal guns? You have pretty much confirmed the need for increased border protection from the gun cartels. Do you remember the Fast & Furious Obama scandal? A gun supplied by the ATF to a gun/drug cartel for a sting operation was later found to be used in the killing of a Border Patrol officer. The homicide rates in Chicago and DC are rising because it is so easy for criminals to get cheap guns from across the border.
And an earlier post of yours was quite racist. Yes, there have been some white whackjobs that have caused problems in schools. Fortunately many precautions are being implemented as a result of their heinous acts.
The real growing problem is black on black violence that is increasing in our inner cities. We gave Obama $800B for "shovel ready jobs" to put people to work fixing our infrastructure and cleaning up ghettoes. Unfortunately he used the money to bail out his Wall St. donors and political cronies. I have a friend that works for Baltimore and told me that they were supposed to get about $100M from it to clean up several ghettoes, including the one later involved in the Freddy Gray riots. She said they received almost nothing and no one knows where the money even went. There was no media outcry like their would be if Trump had done it.
We need to clean up our poor ghettoes and declare "war" on gangs. That starts by cutting off their weapon supply with increased border security.
It is sad the new democratic party seems to be okay with decaying inner cities and the resulting violence. I guess that is why so many of their leaders are building walls around their property.
Tony Bentley · January 11, 2019 at 1:55 pm
nonewtaxes - Yep, it's all real funny! What did you write? "Ahh you so funny TB. What is the chance of somebody shooting up a school? Very very small. Far more children and families of the same will suffer tragedies from auto accidents."
Here are few stats for you: This is a national emergency!
609,640 people in the USA died from Cancer.
80,000 people in the USA died from the Flu.
40,100 people in the USA died from Car accidents.
So why aren't we fighting for better HEALTHCARE and research instead of a border wall?
Tony Bentley · January 11, 2019 at 8:48 am
nonewtaxes - "The control is ours." How's that working for us?
Annual Firearm Deaths by the Numbers (between 2012-2016):
21, 637 by Suicide
12,248 by homicide
479 by Law Enforcement
Racist maybe, against idiots and morons, and they come in every color, sex, religion, and political party.
Rover 530 · January 11, 2019 at 1:16 am
Didn't we have crises in Puerto Rico and Houston after devastating hurricanes? Wasn't there a crisis in California last year caused by deadly and destructive wildfires? Of course, these were truly crises. What did the president do in response? Very little. What did he say about them? Turgid drivel. Is he incoherent when he speaks and clueless to truth and verifiable facts? Yes. Is he now planning to divert disaster funds away from these crises to pay for a wall which may be ineffective, may take years to build and which he said would be paid for by Mexico? Yes. Is the Trump Shutdown driving almost 800,000 federal employees WHO WORK FOR HIM into financial difficulty and possible ruin? Yes. Lies impulsively. Losing (maybe has already lost) his marbles. Needs professional help. SAD.
nonewtaxes · January 10, 2019 at 7:31 pm
We have gun control. It be #2 on the list. Says we can have guns and the government cant do much about it. The control is ours.
Not a tad racist are you TB?
Yes, our nation is at risk from the east and the west. Lots of people swim the ocean to get here. If you be ok with guarding the east and the west why not the south? Not a lot of latinos walking in form canada. The canadians wont come here. They have great free health care up there.
Hold the people responsible? That be the dems. That be why they dont want no wall. Because them illegals vote D so that the welfare keeps coming. Them dems use taxpayer welfare to keep voters voting in their direction.
Ahh you so funny TB. What is the chance of somebody shooting up a school? Very very small. Far more children and families of the same will suffer tragedies from auto accidents.
Still waiting for silli address so i can direct the masses. sillii protect the tree but let the forest burn.
Tony Bentley · January 10, 2019 at 6:19 pm
JohnnyD - We have 4 kids who go to public school. Where is our "wall" against the white, mentally ill, young men, who have access to a weapon? Since no one seems to be able to do anything or wants to do anything about gun control, we consider the fact that young, white, American citizen boys do and will continue to shoot up schools, blow up buildings, etc. That to me is much more important then spending $5.7 Billion on a PARTIAL wall, that amount of money will in no way pay for a wall along our entire Southern Border. In the meantime, the people who guard our coasts are going without pay, putting our nation's security at risk from the east and west. Then what about our Northern Border? My take, if you are not a LEGAL citizen of this country, then no Drivers License (NO VOTE), kids can't go to our schools, no free anything until you become a legal citizen, period. We have to hold the people accountable who ENCOURAGE illegals by giving them jobs, teaching their children, providing food and healthcare, etc. Trump's own businesses hired and protected illegals!! It goes both ways!
JohnnyD · January 10, 2019 at 2:37 pm
"Those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws." Obama in 2006
Trump wants $5B however Pelosi's budget only has an increase of $1.2B for border security, but an additional $12B in foreign aid. Trump just needs to build the wall on the Mexican side and call it foreign aid, the problem is solved!
Perhaps we need to just take the money out of the Congressional pension fund to pay for enhanced border security, like they did our social security fund. I bet they would quickly find the money somewhere.
Never in my wildest imagination did I ever think we would have to fight with our own country for the security of our own country. Imagine if people fought this hard during the cold war to stop funding the improvement of our defenses.
You can bet if Pelosi and Schumer thought the people running across the border were going to vote republican; you would be able to see the wall from the moon. California's handling of these illegal immigrants compared to the Vietnamese refugees in 1975 is proof.
It's all the Democrat's fault. It's all the Republican's fault. No, it's our fault for allowing the idiots on both parties we have on Capitol Hill to stay in office to fight each other for political gains and lobbyist funded interests instead of working together for the good of this great country. Time for term limits is now!
JohnnyD · January 10, 2019 at 12:06 pm
Tony-the difference is though granted and overstaying visas, they were documented and had a reason for entering the US. Most have been screened and don't have gang ties and criminal records, like many repeatedly running across the border even after being deported.
The 9/11 terrorists were a total lapse in due diligence by many.
Tony Bentley · January 10, 2019 at 10:52 am
Remember 9/11? Those people came to the USA by airplane with Visas issued by the American Embassy in Saudi Arabia, overstayed their visas, learned how to fly airplanes, and flew them into the World Trade Center killing over 3000 people. 80% of the illegal immigrants in this country fly into our nation and don't leave. Let's go after them! If you want to build a wall we will have to put it in the air too!
nonewtaxes · January 10, 2019 at 10:15 am
silii what is your address? I'd like to able to come and go through your house at will kind of like having no border. Maybe you'll get the point.
Maybe your brain is less then slow and you need a practical demonstration of the need for a wall and why with locks on your doors you are a hypocrit. When you allow for a porious house I'll believe you understand a porious border.
OOh Eddie Z says it cant be done. Maybe a 5 mile wide mine field would be easier. Of course the rat bastards coming across the border would send women and children first.
The Commie built a wall and the Israelis built a wall. I think we can manage. Take the wall funding out of the welfare budget. Think of it as an investment. Bu reducing the amount of needy immigrants future benefits would rise for Americans.
As long as you lock your house and your car and your mind you are a hypocrit to say that the US has no justification for guarding its own border.
But let me try to see the argument from your point of view. What ahve you against the wall? Why do you think the wall is a bad idea?
Silii · January 10, 2019 at 9:45 am
From construction instructor Ed Zarenski at Worcester Polytechnic Institute in Massachusetts in article in Jan 10 WaPo: 10,000 construction workers more than 10 years to build the 1,000 miles of wall Trump apparently wants. $5.7 billion would require 10,000 workers more than 2 years to build 230 miles of barrier. Engineering requirements and challenges along the entire border unrealistic especially in remote landscape. Approximately 3 million tons of steel needed for one of Trump's versions 1000 mile steel slat ideas - demand for steel would be over a period of years and American and cost would be extreme because of Trump's tariffs which right now would add $1 billion to the estimated $25 billion price tag. Roads parallel to the wall would be needed for construction vehicles, backhoes, dumptrucks, etc., very difficult in remote sites. Calculations show it takes 5,000-6,000 workers a year to build $1 billion worth of construction but they can't all fit on one job site, so many job sites would have to be operated simultaneously - more expenses. It would take 5,000 workers 20 years to build a 1,000 mile wall. Before construction begins at all, contracts have to be developed and negotiated which takes months. Border land needs to be acquired and soil and environmental studies completed. Not a penny from Mexico which is what Trump promised over and over. Anyone even with a slow brain can see what a con this is, what a lie from Trump. You supporters have been had.
nonewtaxes · January 9, 2019 at 9:19 pm
Latin america already has free trade with the US. Unfortunately coke yields more than coffee.
Demosthenes · January 9, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Nonewtaxes -Your argument about the wall being a fairly small amount of money is one I could probably get on board with. If the president used that idea he might have less resistance. I think a lot of people oppose his claim that there is a national emergency going on, and that a state of emergency should be declared, as stated by the original authors of this article.
To some degree the wall has also become more of a symbolic fight. Trump needs to show that he can make good on a campaign promise. Democrats want to show that the president can't act on false information. (Johnny D, this is largely why Schumer or others have done a reversal.)
As for aid to prevent migration, I think you've gotten a bit mixed up. Most of the "aid" that the US has given to Latin America isn't humanitarian, but was instead weapons given to right-wing rulers to beat down socialist uprisings. The long-term effect of that is that there are a lot of corrupt but well-armed governments, and plenty of people who feel oppressed and want a better life (in the US if they can get here). That form of "aid" was given during both Republican and Democrat presidencies.
I don't think either party has offered significant humanitarian aid to Latin America. At the very least, we could do more to embrace free trade so that economies south of us could grow and provide more opportunities to their people, but that doesn't seem very likely during this presidency.
Tony Bentley · January 9, 2019 at 12:02 pm
Oh happy day, joy, joy, OBSERVER has given me one of his/her CUTE nicknames. Now I feel like one of the crowd!
JohnnyD · January 9, 2019 at 9:44 am
Rusty Wheel- your childish posts are exactly why people like Mr.Griffin talk about posters hiding behind pseudonyms. And I appreciate your comments because it is said you know you got to a libtard snowflake when they can't respond with factual posts, only childish rants. You have proven it is true!
JohnnyD · January 9, 2019 at 9:38 am
Demo- read the article. It talks about how the Germans used the border during both world wars. And yes, emotions were high after 9/11, as they should have been. I can't get into much detail because of my occupation, but there were plenty of terrorist things discovered at the border that were never disclosed to the media. Crates and crates of rocket propelled grenades were one. People are worried about law abiding citizens owning guns, imagine what gangsters and terrorist could do with RPGs.
But you're right. Leave the border open in the extremely remote locations that the Border Patrol has trouble defending and send our money to other countries instead.
Maybe you can explain why Schumer and the others have done a reversal in stance about protecting our country along that border.
nonewtaxes · January 9, 2019 at 7:46 am
What's the downside to building a wall? Surely it can't be cost. $5b ina $1T dollar budget aint spit. The dems can't stand the wall because it reduces the flow of future dem votes.
If dems were all about being humanitarians they would fund foreign aid so that people wouldnt have to migrate. The dems love the migration because they gain votes.
Rusty Wheel · January 9, 2019 at 7:29 am
observer needs help maybe new rehab offers a cure n that jonnyd - rightly named after an outhouse co is all things at once like any ol' con not to be trusted, changin stories with the wind
little jonnyd n little observer, sittin in a tree ... aint buyin the crap you two is sellin - if I had crap to sell id hire you 2 to sell it
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