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March 5, 2019 · OPINION

Animals and children deserve law’s protection

By Rachel L. Hill
New Baltimore

It is ironic that our state representatives vote to give jail time to people who cruelly injure or kill an animal. But, in the same session, they vote to allow someone/anyone to injure and kill a child born alive after an abortion. Cruelty to animals is abhorrent, but the saline torture of a child in the womb followed by “death by doctor” is wicked — evil writ large.

The lead proponent of this heresy in Virginia is none other that our governor, Dr. Ralph Northam. He recently gave a cold, hardhearted description of his protocol for babies that survive abortion: deliver, make comfortable, decide — live or die. Move on.

Surprised by the immediate negative reaction, the good doctor justified himself by saying, in effect, “I’m a doctor. I’ve taken care of many children.” German doctor Josef Mengele could have said that.

The Virginia bill to increase the penalty for animal abuse to a prison-time felony was introduced by Sen. Bill DeSteph, a Republican from Virginia Beach. It was a reaction to the heartbreaking treatment and death of a sweet dog named Tommie, tied to a post in Richmond and set on fire. The bill passed unanimously by both houses.

Sen. DeSteph gave a warning to the assembly: Torture of animals should be dealt with severely. People who torture a dog, or any animal like this, their next step is to go after a human.

So-o-o, Gov./Dr. Northam, are we there yet?
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Jim Griffin · March 24, 2019 at 10:33 am
Men have rights -- they must register them with the state:

http://dss.virginia.gov/family/ap/vbfr.cgi

It's a putative father registry. Men who wish to register their claims to paternal rights with the state such that they can be recognized in legal proceedings. Many states have them:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/paternity-registry/396044/

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/04/sex-and-the-single-man/360979/
nonewtaxes · March 18, 2019 at 5:55 am
If its sets a new precedent does that mean our rights are under duress currently or currently under duress?
Mark House · March 16, 2019 at 9:03 am
If this lawsuit sees the light of day it will be setting a new precedent for men's rights.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/alabama-judge-allows-man-to-sue-on-behalf-of-aborted-fetus.html

The girl was 16 and the guy was 19, so legally the parents could have him arrested for statutory rape or sexual assault of a minor.
nonewtaxes · March 16, 2019 at 8:09 am
What is you want to be a father to the child you conceived? Has a man no claim to the child he 1/2 made? Does a man have no right to fatherhood?
Mark House · March 15, 2019 at 4:34 pm
nonewtaxes - Agreed, if you aren't ready to be a parent then do something about it before the fact. You were asking about men, but the same goes for women. I certainly don't think that abortion should be a form of "birth control" when there are other methods available. Sometimes accidents happen, and the situation isn't a good one.

What if you want to be a father? You can always adopt. Or pay someone to have your child for you like the rich do.
nonewtaxes · March 15, 2019 at 4:28 pm
If you dont want to be a mother then dont get pregnant. Many options to avoid pregnancy. Dont let your lack of responsibility as a basis for abortion.

Even if anybody else in the whole world wanted to take responsiblity for the child it doesnt matter. Only the pregnant woman can make that choice.

What if you want to be a father? You still have no say.


So still I ask do men have reproduction rights?
Mark House · March 15, 2019 at 12:29 pm
Big difference between being a father and a sperm donor. One takes responsibility, the other not so much. If you don't want to be a father then do whatever it takes to prevent pregnancy at the time, not after the event, too late to complain then if the woman decides to have an abortion.
nonewtaxes · March 15, 2019 at 9:58 am
yeah but do men have reproduction rights? JG, do you have reproductoin rights or are you mere breeding stock?
Jim Griffin · March 14, 2019 at 10:51 pm
Men and women alike enjoy the right to privacy as regards health decisions, which is the main point in Roe v Wade.

Encyclopedia Brittanica explains: "In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (“…nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”)."

https://www.britannica.com/event/Roe-v-Wade
nonewtaxes · March 14, 2019 at 8:33 pm
what are those rights? obviously they dont have the right to keep the child to term. if the child is not born is it reproduction?
Cammie Rodgers · March 14, 2019 at 7:43 pm
nonewtaxes - They do in our house, and should be part of the process, after all they "helped" create the entity in question.
nonewtaxes · March 14, 2019 at 6:24 pm
do men have reproductive rights?
Tony Bentley · March 12, 2019 at 7:02 pm
AngryBob - "After all, anybody who knows kids these days will tell you they're not fully conscious until WAY after the teen years." Who is anybody? The local yahoos who still smoke even though they know it will kill them. I don't put much faith in people who watch reality TV as if it were today's lesson in intelligence gathering.
AngryBob · March 12, 2019 at 10:47 am
Silly,

My comment is totally relevant. If it starts out as just a fetus (or "tissue" as democrats would prefer to call it), what difference does it make what side of the vagina it's on? We should have a right to "choose", or perform birth control, or have "abortion care", or whatever, for years after birth. After all, anybody who knows kids these days will tell you they're not fully conscious until WAY after the teen years.

"Sorry Timmy, you got a 'D' in Algebra. You know what that means... Oh, don't cry - Ralph Northram says you're just tissue anyways."

-Bob, Angry.


/sascasm
Silii · March 11, 2019 at 11:15 am
Angry Bob, Whatever you have in mind doing to your 6 year old, it will be murder in the first and you'll either get life without parole or death penalty. Your comment is totally irrelevant but sure gives a clue what you think about your child.
Silii · March 11, 2019 at 11:12 am
Please state the bill number to which you refer when you say the state legislature voted to allow anyone to kill a child born alive after an abortion? You are waaaay off base. Next I suggest you learn about what really happens in delivery rooms across the country. Not all fetuses are viable and will die within minutes to hours after birth. There are some very extreme maldeveloped fetuses - please understand not all babies look like Gerber babies. Have you ever seen the birth of a baby with feet coming out its head, no spine, horrible malformations? Happens more than you think. So, regardless of how it is brought into the world, it will die. Plus, there is no such thing as an abortion when the mother is in labor. It's called delivery. And, it's not your business what happens many times every day in the delivery room and the decision parents and doctors make. And, yes the fetus is kept comfortable until it expires. They aren't murdered. Go take some valium and calm down and think about this rationally.
Cammie Rodgers · March 7, 2019 at 11:07 am
It is NO ONE else's business if someone decides to get an abortion. It is between the person, the family, and the doctor. There is such a thing as HIPPA, and unless the person is getting assistance through a government funded program, even then it is NO ONE else's business. When taxpayers decide not to fund clinics then they had better be ready to step up to assist in other ways to support the child, including health insurance and SNAP, otherwise everyone is responsible for that child's lack of care. You can't have it both ways, do not abort but do not fund child care, or abort and condemn. Keep your nose out of other people' business!
Mark House · March 7, 2019 at 8:46 am
SaveFC2019 - Why are you putting all the blame on teenagers for having difficulty comprehending the issue? Adults follow cults too, and adults have abortions too. I do not need anything spelled out for me as you have incorrectly stated. I see the writing on the wall, and God isn't anywhere on there. Perhaps your brain stopped developing at 25 and you are the one stuck in the 70's. Times have changed, and teens aren't as gullible as you think.
Savefauquiercounty2019 · March 7, 2019 at 8:36 am
Mark House. Teenagers can be talked into most anything. You can mince, twist, diminish parental involvement as you may. But how can a teenager be expected to be taught respect for life, if one day they can abort (murder) baby and the following day they are told they can't because it's illegal. You are the type of personality that it has to be spelled out to you. So, even you as an adult is having difficulty comprehending that this is not ok.God help our teenagers. Their brains are not completely developed til they are 25.
The reason why an adult is charged with statutory rape involving a minor is because teens can and are talked into most anything. Sun yun moon in the 70s had millions of teen followers called moonies. Do you get it or you just are stuck in it?
AngryBob · March 6, 2019 at 11:30 am
What about father's rights?

My 6-year-old DEFINITELY harms my mental health.

Can I have him aborted?
Cammie Rodgers · March 6, 2019 at 8:41 am
"Looking more broadly at national trends, the report estimated that 676,000 children were victims of abuse and neglect in 2016." The Associated Press
Cammie Rodgers · March 6, 2019 at 8:38 am
The Associated Press

"INDIANAPOLIS — Newly released federal figures show a sharp rise in child abuse fatalities in the U.S., with the bulk of the increase occurring in two states — Indiana and Texas — where child-welfare agencies have been in disarray.

According to a report released this week by the Department of Health and Human Services, there were 1,700 fatalities resulting from child maltreatment reported in fiscal year 2016, compared to 1,589 the previous year — a 7 percent increase. The figures encompass data from every state but Maine, as well as from the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

Accounting for most of the increase were Texas, where fatalities jumped from 162 to 217, and Indiana, where the death toll more than doubled from 34 to 70.

Two years ago, a commission created by Congress concluded that the United States lacks coherent, effective strategies for reducing the number of children who die each year from abuse and neglect. Although the number of such deaths reported by HHS has hovered at around 1,500 to 1,600 annually in recent years, the commission — citing gaps in how the data is compiled — suggested the actual number may be as high as 3,000 a year.

According to the report, 70 percent of the victims were younger than 3. Fatality rates were higher for boys than for girls, and higher for African-American children than for whites and Hispanics.

Parents — acting alone, together or with other individuals — were the perpetrators in 78 percent of the deaths."
Mark House · March 5, 2019 at 6:13 pm
BestKeptSecrets - "So if is OK the day of delivery, why not the day after?" How can an "abortion" be performed after birth?? It is you who is confused.

Did the teen ask their parent for consent to have unprotected sex? Did the teen feel supported enough to tell her/his parents he/she was having unprotected sex? Were the parents responsible enough to help their teen obtain birth control? You are giving parent(s) a lot of credit, where none may be due.
Jim Griffin · March 5, 2019 at 4:34 pm
BKS: Thank Republicans for Roe v Wade -- they dominated the Supreme Court that made the decision. It's not a partisan issue.

It is, however, decided law: The first trimester is off-limits to the intruding hand of government and society.

Thereafter, it gets more complicated, but rarely so. As difficult as it is to contemplate, we should leave these decisions to the woman and her doctor without further inquiry -- save for the most unusual of circumstances.

These issues are for the Surgeon General, not the Attorney General. A 6-3 Republican court found 7-2 that the woman's right to privacy is of utmost importance. Not all moral quandaries are for government to address.
BestKeptSecrets · March 5, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Mark, you are confused. Tran and most democrats that support third trimester abortions, up til the day of delivery wants it legal for ANY reason because it is the mother's right, and her body.

If you can murder a baby up til the day of delivery, what are you communicating to teens? Their neurons are not developed. They are susceptible to suggestions, vulnerable and have a difficult time making serious decisions about their life. So if is OK the day of delivery, why not the day after?

God gave babies a parent for a reason. And babies need parental support, lifelong but especially during the teenage years. AND no one should take that right away from a parent. Planned Parenthood doesn't care about parents of a teenager who is pregnant. The teen deserves their parents involvement, support and most of all love with their decisions. You can't expect a parent to stop parenting after they drop their child off at school or they walk into Planned Parenthood. Teens under the age of 18 should not be given abortions without their parents consent. Stop supporting these governmental agencies that provide our tax monies for democratic campaigns. Ralph Northam received 2 million. Gives these monies to the professionals that take care of children, not abort them.

This author should be commended. And democrats have taken their stance on
abortions too far. And Governor Ralph Northam is not only a racist, he is a sexist.
Mark House · March 5, 2019 at 2:07 pm
Sure you have your facts correct Ms. Hill?

"Under current law in Virginia, third-trimester abortions are permitted when a woman’s physician and two other doctors certify that continuing a pregnancy would result in a mother’s death, or “substantially and irremediably impair the mental or physical health of the woman.”

This week Kathy Tran, a Democrat in Virginia’s House of Delegates, testified in favor of a bill that would end the requirement for two extra doctors to sign off on such abortions, and strike the words “substantially and irremediably” from the existing law. Similar legislation has been introduced in past years.

Despite what you might have heard, at no point did Tran try to legalize infanticide.

When Tran appeared before a statehouse subcommittee, the Republican majority leader, Todd Gilbert, presented her with an outré hypothetical. Could a woman about to go into labor request an abortion if her doctor certified that she needed one for mental health reasons? Tran said that the decision would be between a woman and her doctor, but, evidently taken aback by the question, eventually allowed that it would be permitted under her bill.

Tran handled the moment poorly. She might have pointed out that legislation is not generally written with an eye to prohibiting ridiculous and unprecedented scenarios.

It is inconceivable that a doctor would certify a need for an abortion while a woman is in labor; some doctors won’t even let a woman turn down a C-section if they think a baby’s health is at risk. But Tran’s impolitic answer to a ludicrous question gave abortion opponents grist for an explosion of self-righteous outrage."
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