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Do you support a partial federal government shutdown to force changes in the Affordable Care Act?

Congressional Republicans say they will refuse to raise the national debt limit and to approve continued budget funding unless Democrats agree to change health care reform legislation enacted in 2010.
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Cameron Jones
October 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Marienmt,

I suggest you read the Constitution, and practice your reading comprehension. Traverse said nothing about a balanced budget requirement.

Traverse also did not say that the President was responsible for appropriations bills, but here's a news flash for you; Obama IS responsible for the spending. He signs ALL bills including appropriations. Please tell how many of the 1+ trillion dollar overspending bills he vetoed? (Chirp Chirp chirp) that's what I thought.

Obama raised deficit spending over 1.5 trillion dollars for 4 years in a row. A cut by half in one year, after 4 years of tripling the deficit does not constitute a cut in spending.

That is a problem with Statists; they are mathematically challenged.

Raising the debt ceiling means just that; raising the amount of debt the government can accrue. How hard is that to understand? The government takes in tax dollars daily; more than enough to service the debt. I raising the ceiling does not increase the debt, why do we have to keep increasing it? Duh?

I know; George Bush is still increasing the debt; right?

I can't even go on. Typical Statist; spouting a whole bunch of unsubstantiated LIES (yes, I used the L word)with absolutely no facts to back them up.

Have a great day!
Traverse
September 30, 2013 at 11:51 am
USC 31 §1105 declares that “(o)n or after the first Monday in January but not later than the first Monday in February of each year, the President shall submit a budget of the United States Government for the following fiscal year.”

What part of "shall" does Obama not understand? It's the LAW. But as we all have plainly seen, Obama routinely ignores the law.

Shut it down.

Obamacare will bankrupt the nation. The socialists who "deemed" this bill "passed", without any bipartisan support, designed it to do just that. The intention is to force us all into government run health care. Once they have your healthcare they can make you do just about anything to receive it. That IS the plan.

The Republicans should use the power our Founders gave the House to keep tyrants from taking control of the government.

Shut it down.
Silii
September 25, 2013 at 8:51 am
There is no Constitutional requirement for a balanced federal budget. Most States require a balanced budget, but the federal government has no such requirement. Next point, whereas the executive branch and both chambers of the legislative branch (that's the House of Representatives and the Senate for you that don't know your civics) prepare a proposed budget. However, final appropriations bills come from the House of Representatives, not the White House and not the Senate. Quit blaming spending on Obama. Re raising the debt ceiling - that is to pay for money already spent, meaning it is paying for appropriations approved by the House of Representatives. Next point. Federal spending has dropped significantly since Obama took office. The number of federal workers has been dropping since the Clinton presidency and continues to drop. Finally, no piece of legislation, large or small, goes without tweaking over time. So, the Affordable Care Act will surely be amended over time, but give it a chance for crying out loud. Until it is fully implemented and areas for change are identified, it makes no sense to say it needs to be repealed. How else do you propose to get health coverage to the millions of working poor? Do you want your health care expenses to continue to sky rocket because the cost of free medical care to uninsured comes out of your pocket right now? Who do you think pays for emergency room trips for the uninsured? The insured do, and uninsured people tend to use the emergency room for basic health care because they can't afford to go to a doctor. I won't even get into the ethics of the largest, wealthiest country in the world thinking it's OK to let millions of people go without access to minimal health care and adequate access to food.
nova_gjones
September 23, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Ziggy, I don't see "everyone calling everyone else silly for not agreeing with their point of view." Interesting explanation but it still boils down that the national budget is not balanced and no appropriations have been voted on for any program (obamacare or anything).
Ziggy
September 23, 2013 at 5:07 pm
The whole debate is so amusing with everyone calling everyone else silly for not agreeing with their point of view. Lets just look at this in simple terms.

The annual federal budget process begins with a detailed proposal from the President in February; Congress next develops a blueprint called a budget resolution that sets limits on how much each committee can spend (or reduce revenues) over the course of the year; and the terms of the budget resolution are then enforced against individual appropriations, entitlement bills, and tax bills on the House and Senate floors. In addition, Congress sometimes uses a special procedure called "reconciliation" to facilitate the passage of deficit reduction legislation or other major entitlement or tax legislation. Finally, a companion PAYGO rule helps ensure that tax cuts and entitlement increases are paid for and do not add to the deficit. This has not been completed for budget years 2001-2003, 2007-2011, 2013 and now 2014. When that has not been completed, Congress must pass a Continuing Resolution.

A continuing resolution is a type of appropriations legislation used by the United States Congress to fund government agencies if a formal appropriations bill has not been signed into law by the end of the Congressional fiscal year. The legislation takes the form of a joint resolution, and provides funding for existing federal programs at current, reduced, or expanded levels.

It is important to note that changes to "mandatory" or "entitlement" programs, such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and certain other programs (including but not limited to food stamps, federal civilian and military retirement benefits, veterans' disability benefits, and unemployment insurance) that are not controlled by annual appropriations. So I am not sure where the scare tactics of old people not receiving their Social Security checks, unemployment not being paid, or retirement/disability payments not being received comes from.

IMHO, a continuing resolution should not allow increased funding since it is a blanket statement that says we will continue to pay our bills at the same level as last year but will not do any more until we get a real budget passed.

But lets get to the bottom line about the budget, continuing resolution and debt ceiling. Everyone one of us has to deal with this in our own lives and some simple rules apply. We cannot exceed our credit limit (how much others think we should be able to borrow) and the more debt we create the less likely folks are willing to loan us money as they see us as a credit risk. We cannot continue to spend more than we make because eventually the first rule will kick in. And if we don't budget appropriately we will run the risk of the first two happening.

IMHO, all of those involved in the budget process should not be paid until the job is done. No budget, no pay, even if there is a Continuing Resolution. For the President, Congress (senate/house) and all their staff, if the job is not done, you do not get paid. We should also start cutting discretionary spending in areas not related to national security basics (paying our troops and providing Federal Police are basic) until we get the deficit declining. That means if it is not related to defending our borders or protecting our citizens from harm, it gets cut until we have the money to spend. Honestly, do we really have the luxury of giving out free cell phones, paying for sex change operations, paying farmers not to grow food, paying for the advertising of American products in foreign nations that cannot afford to buy our products, giving money to other nations that actually want to do us harm, and some of the other silliness that we spend tax money on every year (I am not sure I got a thing out of spending tax money to teach a shrimp to run on a treadmill, I actually like my shrimp quite plump).

So, regardless of political party, and without insulting or name calling, explain to me how we can reach national goals of economic independence, energy independence, and improved health care for our citizens without bankrupting or destroying our Country or it's citizens.
nova_gjones
September 23, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Sooner or latter the US Govt has to perform it's constitutional duty and that is balance the budget.

We are facing the 2nd year without a national budget. The consequence is going to be grimmer the longer Congress waits. Our Congress has failed us. We will see slowdown in the economy or worse. Some will face an uncertain future of jobs gone if this continues.
Freedom warrior
September 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm
The American people have stated over and over again in polls that obamacare is not wanted. The House is doing the will of the people, except for one so called Republican named Ridgell that voted with the demokrats.

The fauquier free citizen just published an excellent article on this.

sjohn2001
September 19, 2013 at 5:01 pm
If you watch rerun of then Senator Obama campaigning in 2008 about the debt limit he said: that "whipping out the credit card from China, and payable by our children was irresponsible, and UNPATRIOTIC!" He blamed President Bush for raising debt $4 Billion dollars. Well, he has raised it $7 Billion so far.
Mara_Seaforest
September 19, 2013 at 4:48 pm
I think this ploy comes very close to treason.
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