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June 22, 2017 at 10:40 am
I’ll be voting for Gillespie, but he has a slim to none chance in Virginia because the voter rolls are tilted in favor of Democrats.
The Virginia voter rolls are likely full of illegal voters, and should be purged of them one way or the other. In order to vote in Virginia, all you have to do is this (Motor Voter):
"If you are a citizen of the United States and wish to apply to register to vote, answer the citizenship and voter registration questions on the application with "Yes.""
That's it... no supporting documentation required. Motor Voter is a Democrat idea for sure, as they need illegal votes to stay in the game. Once you’re on the rolls, all you need is some form if ID... even a utility bill will do... simply ridiculous, and obviously intended to let non-citizens on the rolls… and they are… by the thousands I’ll bet. Not to mention all the dead people and those who have moved out of state.
End Motor Voter; purge the rolls of all indelible voters; no automatic registration. If it's not important enough to you to take the time to register and provide proof of citizenship, then don’t vote. Voting does not need to be so convenient that we allow indelible people on the rolls. We all should all be willing to do whatever it takes to insure free and fair elections, what could possibly be more important? This does not include “Everyone should be registered automatically” as Jim Griffin suggests. Voting is a sacred right reserved for American citizens who wish to exercise it.
Bottom line is… until the rolls are reconciled to insure only legal voters are registered, then free and fair elections are impossible, especially in tight races, as we frequently see.
June 22, 2017 at 10:15 am
I am for any and all measures that perfect the process of registering and voting, the most fundamental right we have. It should be fast, easy, simple to register and vote.
My objection is to a proposal for a total purge, which would be rejected in application to any of the other rights. Guns in the hands of the wrong people -- let's take them all and give them back as we confirm eligibility case by case! (That was sarcastic -- it's absurd.) And so on. How about a total search of every home for guns, drugs, stolen property? Hey, if you've nothing to fear, why invoke the Fourth Amendment? The reason: It violates our constitutional rights to proceed indiscriminately.
It's easy to see why a Republican in Virginia would wish to wipe the slate clean and start again. The numbers are not on their side at this point, but that is a problem of their own making.
Nonetheless, BJ, I am with you and others: If there is anyone we even slightly suspect of voting ineligibility, it is our duty to demand their ballot be cast provisionally, and there should be a process for verifying every vote that carries warranted doubt.
When Traverse says he worked at the polls and doubted some people's eligibility, I ask: Why didn't you do your job and question their eligibility, resulting in a provisional ballot until such time as the vote is deemed in a courtroom as determinant of the outcome and verified eligible?
June 22, 2017 at 10:00 am
Hypothetical question below, automatic registration not currently done at the DMV.
Jim - At the DMV they ask if you are registered to vote. I think when you get or renew your driver's licence (18 and over) you are automatically registered to vote, and upon every renewal your status is checked (legal residents) and your registration is updated with your information (address, etc.) When someone moves to another state they are required to get a new license, and their voter registration can also be updated to reflect that move. Does that seem feasible?
No problem here with cleansing voter eligibility, but a blanket purge of the rolls is not a good idea. Voting is a right, so you can only imagine the impact of a similar purge with similar rights: Take away all guns, restoring them one by one as owners prove their eligibility? And so on.
No reason those properly registered should need to register yet again, but I am just fine with dedicated focused checking with the result that all names are clearly eligible.
Case by case, yes. Blanket purge, no. We don't purge fundamental rights for any reason, but case by case works fine. Where warranted, verification makes sense, as would a nationwide cross-check (although voting should remain completely in the hands of state and local officials, not the feds).
Jim, In Germany it is mandatory that young people leaving school either serve two years in the military or the Red Cross. They also have a 2 year apprenticeship program (6 months probationary) for people to learn a trade, and must take drivers training for 5 years before a driver's license is granted. I'm with Traverse on cleaning up voter eligibility, we need a nationwide database that tracks multiple registrations since our society is so transient now, and if the person is a legal citizen. I've lived in 6 states over the past 30 years, and haven't checked to see if my information is on any other state's voter rolls.
I did not suggest making voting mandatory, but I do think everyone should be registered to vote and we should make that as simple as possible -- both to vote and to register.
Your government has a heavy hand indeed, which is surprise coming from you.
I not think it right to toss people -- indeed, you suggest everyone, wiping the rolls clear -- from the voting rolls. All doubt is erased with provisional ballots.
Provisional ballots are not even opened unless verified eligible and determinant. They are double enveloped for secrecy.
I would make it mandatory to serve government or society in some non-profit role, such as in the military or alternatives. If everyone dedicated several years of their life to service we'd be a changed society, with voting rates much higher than today.
How many votes do I need to spot you to entice you into a friendly bet on the outcome of the Virginia governor's race this Fall?
My plan is the only way to insure non citizens are purged from the rolls, and would only disenfranchise those not legally allowed to participate, something we all should support. But instead you support automatic registration of everyone, insuring continued problems with voter fraud. Then you'd make it mandatory to participate... talk about an appalling plan! Geesh!
I would go a step further and require paper ballots, and struck ID checks at the polls. Once a fraudulent ballot is cast, provisional or not, it's almost impossible to take back. We need to prevent illegal ballots from being cast in the first place.
GA-6 was a rout in my book, and a YUGE win for Trump! The wins just keep piling up!
You make it sound like the Democrats (a party I do not support) spent $50 million and lost in a rout. Instead, the facts show:
1. Ossoff came within four points of beating a party that won the previous election by more than 20 points. Democrats made up a lot of ground in the GA-1.
2. The sum total of both parties' spending was about $50 million between them. More than half that figure was spent during the primary season.
3. It is amazing Ossoff came so close. He didn't even live in the District!
4. Voters are very mad else Ossoff the young carpetbagger should've lost by 30 points to the experienced politico Handel. Four points was a great margin under the circumstances and very encouraging.
Yours is an appalling plan, disenfranchising every registered voter. As you know, any ballot can be made provisional with a simple request, after which it counts only if it is both potentially determinant of the outcome and researched to confirm eligibility.
Everyone should be registered automatically as happens in many states and other countries.
I'll go a step further: I favor mandatory government participation akin to the draft. Everyone should serve their country for at least two years.
If that happens, voting rates will skyrocket.
A four point loss after spending 50 million, six times the normal expenditure, that's a rout in my book.
As far as Virginia is concerned, I wouldn't take your bet. A few highly populated liberal counties in northern Virginia always dictate to the rest of the state, which is something the Founders prevented on a federal level with the electoral college. Which is also why I would support a separation between northern Virginia and the rest of the state. I would also purge the voter rolls, end moter-voter, and require everyone to reregister, showing proof positive of US citizenship. After working as a poll watcher in the last election, it was clear to me the rolls have a good number of ineligible voters, something Dems have relied on to sway close elections for decades.
GA-6 is rated +9 Republican and rarely gives Republicans less than a 20 point victory. A four-point loss outperforms previous Democratic efforts in that district.
I certainly would not term a four-point win in that district a "rout", but I will happily wager real money -- if that is legal -- on Democrats retaining the Virginia governor's seat.
If last night's Georgia 6th district Rebublican rout is any indication... Gillespie will change Virginia back to red.
The Vogel issue or "matter", if you will, may very well be a problem for her. I brought up the competitive aspect of this race because it will pit an African-American against a woman for the Lt. Governor's race. I believe it will be a very unique and hard-fought race for both sides. As for the Governor's race, I believe Northam will win with a comfortable margin. And "yes," I agree with you that Virginia has gone from red to purple to now blue. The GOP can blame itself for its downward spiral in the Commonwealth.
Wise call, martinkus. Northam drew almost as many votes as both leading Republican candidates combined, with even the losing Dem drawing almost a hundred thousand more votes than any of the Republicans. I agree with Northam on this, but also with you: The rhetoric is unnecessarily inflammatory. Stick with issues, not the person.
I do not buy Vogel excuses re: Google's subpoena answer suggesting the Vogels sent the scurrilous Reeves emails. Yes, wifi is prous but cellular is not. This may prove an HRC-style email issue and just as hard to shake.
Vogel rises or falls with the Republican ticket, the numbers simply are not there statewide. Virginia can now be declared blue until someone proves otherwise.
I predict Ralph Northam as the next Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Despite his inflammatory rhetoric about our current President (not needed nor appropriate), Northam has significant government experience while his main opponent, Mr. Gillespie, does not. I believe lobbying is not a positive attribute for governing. Although I tend to lean Republican because I am a fiscal conservative, I have voted for Democrats in the past. Mr. Gillespie was a "no-show" at the Warrenton town hall meeting in May. His excuse according to others?...his attendance was "not feasible." In my opinion, he dismissed the Fauquier County electorate. Why support him now?
I believe the Lt. Governor's race will be extremely competitive pitting Justin Fairfax (D) against Fauquier County's own Jill Vogel (R). That will be a race to watch!
The whole country is "blue" because of "King Lear" on the throne. My guess is that people are willing to switch sides to get rid of the garbage that calls itself the GOP today. Once upon a time I was generally a Republican but not at this time in our history.
June 14, 2017 at 11:25 am
For what it's worth -- to the degree that yesterday's primary turnout is indicative of political leaning -- 60% of Virginia voters requested a Democratic ballot (543k), 40% a Republican ballot (365k).
The above poll results at the time of my writing this comment mirror the primary: Northam 42 (60%), Gillespie 26 (37%).
In 2016, HRC won Virginia 49.7% (1,981k) to DJT's 44.4 percent (1,769k)).
Has Virginia become a blue state?
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