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July 26, 2020

County teachers union wants “virtual” opening

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School board members Duke Bland (Marshall District) and Suzanne Sloane (Scott) listen July 13 as parents express their desires about the resumption of classes.
The FEA believes that any risk to the loss of life for a student or staff member in Fauquier County Public Schools is too great of a risk to take.
— Fauquier Education Association letter to school board
The county teachers union wants Fauquier public schools to reopen next month without in-person classes.

The Fauquier Education Association last month supported the “blended” model, combining in-person and virtual classes, which the school board unanimously adopted July 13.

But, a new survey of its members prompted the association leadership to change its position Thursday, according to a letter sent to the school board.

“The FEA believes that any risk to the loss of life for a student or staff member in Fauquier County Public Schools is too great of a risk to take,” the July 23 letter says. “Therefor we request that the School Board consider a 100% virtual return to school decision at their next School Board meeting on Monday, July 27.”

> Letter at bottom of story

In an an online survey before the school board’s July 13 vote, 52.4 percent of parents, representing 3,436 students, wanted their children in classrooms four days a week. Many pushed for five days a week of in-person instruction.

The debate has raged in virtually every community coast-to-coast as the COVID-19 pandemic continues.

In recent days, public school systems in Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William counties and the City of Fredericksburg have chosen to open the fall term with virtual instruction. In some cases, school boards reversed previous decisions to use a combination of face-to-face and virtual instruction.

Culpeper, Stafford and Warren county school boards have yet to decide how they will resume classes.

Fauquier’s school board will meet at 6 p.m. Monday, July 27, in the Fauquier High auditorium.

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Class of 2006 · August 4, 2020 at 9:22 am
I was just wondering, if God forbid we lose a student or a staff member to the virus because of the irresponsible actions of Jeck and the school board members could they be held legally responsible?
J Obrokta · July 28, 2020 at 8:36 am
I'm clearly late to the conversation. I took a week off local news to improve my state of mind, but then I take a quick look on Fauquiernow and see all of this.

Ok, things to consider real quick:

1. Dr. Jeck did surveys of teachers earlier in July and had something like an 85% response rate. Those responses were largely in favor of the blended model that he eventually proposed.

2. The FEA survey had responses from less than 25% of our teachers. Please do not read their comments and think that they represent the majority of our teachers. Most of us are excited to get back into physical classrooms as long as we have safety measures in place.

3. The School Board met last night for two hours. Duke Bland spent about 1 minute acknowledging that he read the letter from FEA, then he explained that we will continue with the plans as passed unanimously by the board in their last meeting. He also mentioned that the only thing that could deter us from starting school with students in the building would be a decision from the governor if he chose to shut down all schools. Throughout the rest of the two hours the board worked with school officials to consider all of the logistical issues that need to be solved before we open.

Thanks,
Jim OBrokta
Momm2211 · July 27, 2020 at 9:58 pm
This is a cop out by the teachers unions and associations to stay home and not do their job. Teachers- if you are afraid to contract covid then don't go out to Walmart and shop for your groceries. With only a little over a month left for school and we are considering backpedaling? Our kids are being done are being done a huge disservice here. Just a concerned parent who also has to work.
AmericanPatriot · July 27, 2020 at 7:57 pm
This is the expected position of 'teachers'

No work and fulltime pay. Your bolshevik progenitors are beaming.
Alohaexpress · July 27, 2020 at 7:12 pm
Hey Fred_GarvinJr,

Good attempt at humor, but your wife was not too terribly drunk after she left my apartment ?
pumblechook@mail.com · July 27, 2020 at 7:06 pm
The risk to the children from COVID is magnatudes less than the long term effects of keeping them out of school.
To respect the teachers who are sincerely concerned for their own health, they can opt for staying quarantined in their home until the virus is at a point they feel comfortable returning to the classroom.
pumblechook@mail.com · July 27, 2020 at 6:51 pm
@badelectronics - Thank you for making my point.
Fred_GarvinJr · July 27, 2020 at 6:05 pm
@Pablo, for it to have kids, someone would have had to gone to bed with it. Do you imagine there is enough alcohol in this world to make that possible? I don't.
Demosthenes · July 27, 2020 at 2:54 pm
newnewtaxes - you are really working hard to evade the question I posed about whether or not we should demand tax dollars back from the sheriff. Does answering that somehow undermine your other argument about defunding schools?

I don't know anything about what teachers are doing or where they are going these days. I certainly hope they aren't hanging out at Molly's without a mask on. I bet most are in their home offices writing Harry Potter fan fiction or whatever it is they do for fun.

I do not know what local news article "reports going back to school is ok" as you claim. Perhaps you are referring to an op-ed somewhere?
Candy · July 27, 2020 at 12:36 pm
Through all the posturing for how to best serve our children here in Fauquier, where is the voice calling for the rights of our special needs children. These students are being totally left out. They cannot be assisted through virtual learning. They must have face to face help with a teacher. They need highly trained individuals who can monitor the child for understanding and be able to redirect or adjust instruction to meet the ever changing mind and physical needs of the student. So, Dr. Jeck, why aren't you fighting for ALL the children of this county. Get "Back to School" really in the classroom this Fall.
nonewtaxes · July 27, 2020 at 12:12 pm
Demo no comment regarding teachers going everywhere but school?

Crime down 30% per local news. Why did sheriff want more deputies?

Local news also reports going back to school is ok.

Why are teachers everywhere but school?
How can they be essential and absent?
Demosthenes · July 27, 2020 at 10:53 am
nonewtaxes - Crime is down 30% in Fauquier County, as reported in the July 17th edition of Fauquiernow's 5 Friday Factoids.

https://www.fauquiernow.com/fauquier_news/article/fauquier-5-friday-fauquier-factoids-million-dollar-home-sales-2020

But back to my question, does it make sense to then ask the Sheriff's office to return 30% of their budget back to the taxpayers?
MSpare · July 27, 2020 at 9:01 am
How many of these teachers shop in the county? Where do they shop in county? The teachers and administrative staff can just as easily catch this virus from going out and doing their shopping. How many of the 549 cases in Fauquier County of Covid came from catching virus from outside the county? I'm sorry but kids need to be school and they need to be educated in class, not virtually. From the CDC -
New guidance from the CDC is strongly in favor of sending students back to the classroom, saying that available evidence shows that coronavirus does not possess as great a risk to children. With the services and instruction offered in school, the CDC guidance said virtual learning can be a disadvantage to American students.
"It can lead to severe learning loss, and the need for in-person instruction is particularly important for students with heightened behavioral needs," the CDC statement said.
I took great offence to the school boards comments during the live stream voting when they said, " We did not make up our minds on how we would vote on the proposals". They lied. A unanimous board vote was cause to believe that they already had. We as parents are not naïve to think that our board will vote the majority's will according to the surveys. They will vote for ALL virtual learning and they will not vote to bring back in class learning because of the very vocal teachers union. Take the politics out of children's education. These teacher's have a greater chance of catching the flu from the children than Covid.
As such, and knowing this predictable school board, I am going to look into a "Recall of our FCPS board".
2sDay · July 27, 2020 at 6:48 am
Sorry, I meant to say that the teachers are concerned about their responsibility to their students.
2sDay · July 27, 2020 at 6:47 am
For those of you who continue to be frustrated by the failures of the public school system, I highly recommend that you consider private schools. Teachers in private schools are far more concerned about their responsibility to their teachers and are ready to start the school year. Many of them will be open five days a week and have scholarship funding available. I recommend Wakefield Country Day School. http://www.wcdsva.org
nonewtaxes · July 27, 2020 at 4:30 am
demo replies that we should run schools like burger joints - drive thru only. What about walmart and the grocery store. Both opened throughout covid.

You think crime is down? You aint heard that the cities are having the biggest shooting spree in history and are being burned down by "peaceful protesters"?

Consider this: if teachers find that going to school is a HUGE risk, are they keeping themselves confined to their basement bunkers or are they out and about going to the grocery store and the box store and more? I doubt that any teacher who supports not going back to the classroom because of covid fear has not gone out in public over the last couple of months.

PabloCruz · July 26, 2020 at 8:44 pm
Aloha-So is that a yes or no? Do you have kids or not?
I’m guessing no, which means my original hunch was correct.
Aloha-just stirring s#!?. No facts, just insults. Useless
Alohaexpress · July 26, 2020 at 6:29 pm
Quite the contrary little angry PabloCruz. I love schools and teachers and believe that they should educate the children the traditional way.

These same unions are saying minorities are more apt to spread covid.

Sound like you are supporting the same folks that look down on your heritage? You are a weak Man/Woman/Trans.


PabloCruz · July 26, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Aloha-Now that we all know your hatred for schools, teachers, and unions, are you still demanding that your kids be taught by these liberals? Do you even have kids, or are you just stirring sh**? No one takes you seriously, but inquiring minds want to know.
Countrygal10 · July 26, 2020 at 4:46 pm
Alohaexpress-It’s not just NOVA. Counties to the south-Spotslyvania and Orange have both announced a virtual start.
Alohaexpress · July 26, 2020 at 1:24 pm
It is ironic how some school districts are trying to find a way to move forward with normalcy while others are not.

Why? Those larger school districts who are the most vocal and were first to go all virtual (Fairfax, Arlington, Richmond City, Prince William) have high concentrations of black and Hispanic students, while those that are pondering in school normal, are more white.
These liberal teachers unions are advancing a bigoted and racist thinking that blacks and Hispanics will be more prone to transmit Covid to them in classes, which have similar sizes and controls as their majority white districts in rural areas. In fact, the voting patterns of Prince William teachers union, who chose between in school or remote, showed that Western schools (more white) voted heavily for hybrid approach, while Eastern end schools (more black and Hispanic) voted significantly for 100% remote.
Fauquier teachers union is being pressured to fall in line in solidarity with their peers in the State, which is very misguided since Fauquier is not Northern VA.
These liberal teachers unions are advancing a racist thinking which is hurting black,white and Hispanic students alike.

badelectronics · July 26, 2020 at 8:05 am
@Whitehead: So the teachers can't be employed for 12 months if they strike? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FairandBalanced · July 25, 2020 at 11:34 pm
If the teachers of Fauquier county decide not to show up that is the end of all this commentary. There is no way the school administration can replace the army of teachers required to run the system. Period. My bet is Fauquier county schools go virtual until the pandemic is under control and the parents are just going to have to deal with reality. Oh. And, there is no recourse, punishment or retribution that can force the teachers to put their lives and their families' lives at stake. None. Period.
J. Whitehead · July 25, 2020 at 11:07 pm
The letter from the Fauquier Education Association is a borderline threat to a work stoppage. This tactic has been used all over the Commonwealth of Virginia and it is working. Teachers who pay dues to the FEA need to bear this in mind. You could lose your job for up to 12 months. Work stoppages of this type are still illegal in Virginia.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title40.1/chapter4/section40.1-55/
Liberty1 · July 25, 2020 at 10:15 pm
This is not about the kids or teachers fears. It clearly a union trying to support other teachers unions like Fairfax who have decided not to go back. Those unions don't want Fauquier going back because if it's successful as it will be then they will have to explain to the parents in their districts why the children couldn't go back like Fauquier. The board and district had better not change the current plan which is ridiculous enough as it is. If a grocery store clerk can work so can the teachers. There is no Science supporting anything except a return to school.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 9:39 pm
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 9:24 pm
@Pumblechook: Best word salad I've read all day!
pumblechook@mail.com · July 25, 2020 at 8:47 pm
Two words can make sense of this: Trump hate
The NEA and AAE goose step behind the democrat party and the hatred of Trump has them showing they won't stop at ruining the economy and our children to try and keep him out of the White House after the next election.
Love him or hate him, the best thing he may be doing for the country is making the democrats, major 'news' networks and 'progressives' show their true colors as hateful, petty, irrational, shameless, loud, petulant, destructive etc. It's has been amazing to watch how nearly all the things they accuse him of are the tactics they are using in their wild-eyed attempts to destroy him.
And COVID is a gift from the Chinese socialists to the democrats. I just hope more folks recognize this come Nov 3rd.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 7:05 pm
@PabloCruz: How morally bankrupt must a person must be in order for them to compare people faking injuries to people worried about kids getting sick and also dying from a disease?
PabloCruz · July 25, 2020 at 7:03 pm
Aloha-You played soccer, congratulations. Now show me where I said children should stay home.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 6:54 pm
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 6:34 pm
I like how Republican he-men like Alohaexpress and his/her ilk below are so cavalier with the lives of children. Bless your hearts!
Alohaexpress · July 25, 2020 at 6:21 pm
Pablo-

You and your stay at home sissy crowd remind me of certain soccer players we used to play that always feigned injury on the field to stop play. Never could simply play the game. Had to always cheat system at other's expense.

Also, how do you know Democrats dont want their kids back in school too?
PabloCruz · July 25, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Jim Goodwin-How do you know what sources I’m listening to? Where in my statement did I allude to that? All I said was, I’m fascinated that Republicans are constantly complaining about liberal indoctrination in our schools, and the teachers unions. But now, Republicans are demanding to have their kids go back to said schools. The only other post I made was a quotation of statistics from this article.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 5:04 pm
jim goodwin · July 25, 2020 at 2:21 pm
Why can't we master the tech? Pipe the "at risk" teachers into the classroom and hire young, very low risk interns to oversee these classes and the webcam. Kids have minimal risk for this virus. Let them go back to school!

We already have therapeutics that are working well.

Anyone that suggests otherwise is just trying to kill our economy and make as many people poor and dependent up on the government as possible before the election.

You're problem, Pablo, is the only people you'll listen too are those that are predicting catastrophe. We have to find the balance between economic catastrophe and medical catastrophe and we can't do it by simply locking everyone away from contact until every trace of this virus is gone. That's never going to happen.
PabloCruz · July 25, 2020 at 1:58 pm
Since the pandemic began, 10,576 “confirmed COVID-19 patients have been hospitalized and discharged,” according to the Virginia Hospital and Healthcare Association.

State hospitals housed 1,250 infected patients Friday — up 32, according to the association.

That puts total Virginia hospitalizations during the pandemic at 11,826.
Alohaexpress · July 25, 2020 at 12:39 pm
A grand total of 86 Covid hospitalizations across ALL Inova hospitals in Northern VA. Of those, 3 are critical, and all 3 had pre existing conditions. Time to throw these people in jail for yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Enough is enough.
PabloCruz · July 25, 2020 at 12:35 pm
I am truly fascinated by the positions some on this forum are taking.
Condemning the teachers union and schools as liberal, indoctrination centers, and then demanding that their children be allowed to go back to school. At the same time admitting how horrible their home lives are, by actually admitting that their kids will suffer physical and emotional harm, lack of food, sports, socialization, spiritual counseling, etc. To top it all off, they admit that having their kids at home might cause them to get divorced.
Correct me if I’m wrong; but I thought Republicans were “families first”
Sound to me like having your family at home is more dangerous than sending them to the union run, liberal indoctrination centers. SMH
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 11:26 am
"Wow Jeffersonian, what do you think they are serving in the Kool-Aid over at "Americanthinker" these days?"

No kidding.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 11:26 am
@DonkeyFarmer: Um, I was directing that at @AngryBob, who said he would use his property tax to put his kids in private school. I did not say every tax payer, I said 'you' as in AngryBob.



jdobbins · July 25, 2020 at 11:07 am
This position of the teachers union makes no sense. To assume the staff and students had zero risk at school prior to the emergence of the Chinese Virus is a completely unsupportable position. The data across the world all shows that children should be back in school for all the many benefits they derive, but especialy since the risk is infinidecimally small. These include, besides hopefully getting educated, social development, support programs such as meals and sociological help when needed, sports programs and the possible scholarships that will be lost or not awarded, abuse awareness by school counselors, counselling for at risk children, and other services. The strain on families when children are at home is huge because someone or a parent has to be home with them and therefore cannot go to work. The emotional and financial burden this places on families creates stresses that are often borne by the children, including hidden abuse cases, opioid abuse at a time when this is already epedemic, lack of socialization, increased divorce rate, other domestic abuse, lack of spiritual counseling due to restrictions on churches, and others. This country has to reopen and the chuldren must go back to school.
This letter from the teachers union is just one more reason who public employees, whether federal, state, or county, should not be able to form unions. They are paid with taxpayer dollars and therefore work for us, the taxpayer. Their political agendas should stay in their homes and not influence their work responsibilities. If their priority is safety, they are failing miserably to consider all the many threats to safety that will arise if the kids do not go back to school.
Demosthenes · July 25, 2020 at 11:04 am
Wow Jeffersonian, what do you think they are serving in the Kool-Aid over at "Americanthinker" these days?
DonkeyFarmer · July 25, 2020 at 10:20 am
Fauquier County Public Schools get $8,832 per student per year, or $49.07 per school day.

@badelectronics - You sure are making a lot of assumptions. Google could tell you what the schools are paid per student in a few seconds. You are also assuming that only property owners with currently enrolled students pay for schools. Not accurate. ALL property owners pay for schools, the ENTIRE time you own the property. Kids or no kids.
Jeffersonian American · July 25, 2020 at 10:11 am
To address the issue of public schools in America today- this article is further proof that Home Schooling, or a quality Private School education, is far more beneficial to young students than the Globalist, Agenda 21, Fauquier County "Goals 2015" Cultural Marxism Agenda being perpetrated upon millions of condemned public school children Pre-K through 12th Grade across our land in the 21st Century. Not to mention the American Culture War being waged against young adults in the Radical Left public universities and colleges.

To address the most fundamental issue of our time, all Thinking Americans should read the following timely essay of what is truly at stake:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/democrats_using_trump_hatred_to_seduce_the_educated_and_affluent_into_supporting_class_suicide.html
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 9:28 am
@AngryBob: Private school? Around here? There is nothing stopping you from sending your kids to private school now unless you are cheap like I am:
Select private schools with high schools:
Wakefield ~27k
Highland ~28k
Fresta ~9k
Wakefield Country Day ~16k

Let's assume that you live in a 500k house and pay 4,970.00 in RE Tax. (Median home price is 423k.0 Let's further assume that of that amount, 65% goes to pay for public schools. That means you'd save 3,230.00 if they refunded that school tax money!!! You're still going to have to cough up a little less that 6K to send your kids to Fresta, or, a little under 25k to send your kid to Highland. I'm pretty sure that sports at private schools in not included in the tuition, so get ready to fork over a little more. If you live in a $2.7M house, my apologies! You could totally afford to send 1 child to Highland or 4 kids to Fresta!

I apologize ahead of time for this oversimplification, but I think it gets my point across.
badelectronics · July 25, 2020 at 8:45 am
@DonkeyFarmer: So, the President says wearing a mask is Patriotic. DO we listen to the President now, or has Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer gotten to him???
Alohaexpress · July 25, 2020 at 7:46 am
You are missing the point FairandBalanced...

Put down your bong and read my entire comment..
FairandBalanced · July 25, 2020 at 7:37 am
Alohaexpress · July 25, 2020 at 7:12 am
Anthony Fauci's attempt at throwing the first pitch at the Washington Nationals game is an appropriate metaphor.

He himself made a fool of himself by his "throw" and represents the soft, weak,and pathetic Men like Mcauliffe, Northam, Schumer, Kaine, Newsom, Booker and many other current liberals.

Eisenhower, Reagan, JFK, and and even Tip O`Neill could have hit the catcher square in his glove.
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