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August 10, 2020

Fauquier schools make switch to all-virtual classes

Photos/Lawrence Emerson
“I am sorry to make this recommendation,” Superintendent David Jeck says.
The bashing of our teachers and the dialog on our community pages is toxic . . . . Let’s be wise and smart, gracious adults and make this the best year possible.
— Susan Pauling, Center District school board member
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Reluctantly, Fauquier’s school board Monday night pulled the plug on its plan to offer in-person instruction when the fall semester begins Aug. 24.

The board voted, 5-0, to switch to “all virtual” instruction, voiding the plan adopted July 13 to offer a “blended model” that would have most students in classrooms two days a week and studying at home the other three weekdays.

The board and administrators blamed the COVID-19 pandemic, which has not abated since Gov. Ralph Northam ordered Virginia schools closed in mid-March.

Surveys last month had indicated only 10 percent of Fauquier’s 11,000 students would opt for all-virtual instruction. Most parents wanted their children in back classrooms, with many pushing for four or five days a week of in-person studies.

But, more than one-third of students (or their parents) in recent weeks registered for all-virtual classes. And that number has continued to climb.

Only 37 of the system’s 920 teachers signed up to lead online classes, creating a mismatch — particularly for special education and elementary students, Superintendent David Jeck told the board. To qualify for online assignment, those 37 either have health conditions or care for someone at high risk, according to the administration.

> Document at bottom of story

Shifting more teachers to the all-online model would strip much of the in-person instructional capacity, while more than 67 percent of students opted for that model.

The system also lacks nurses at four of the 20 public schools, needs 20 more bus drivers and has half the normal number of substitute teachers. Because of staff members’ concerns about their health or that of family members, resignations continued to climb, even as teachers returned to work Monday in preparation for classes to start in two weeks.

“As a result of the insurmountable barriers that have been described here, it is my belief that we cannot provide high-quality, face-to-face instruction for the vast majority of our students,” Dr. Jeck said. “It is my recommendation to the school board that we provide virtual instruction for students through the first term (December). I am sorry to make this recommendation.”

Deputy Superintendent Major Warner said the situation began to come into focus about two weeks ago, as far more students or parents than expected opted for the all-virtual model. Meanwhile, more than 2,000 students still had not selected either the blended or virtual option as of Monday.

The 500-member Fauquier Education Association late last month changed its position, rescinding support of the blended plan and supporting an all-virtual opening because of health concerns. Dozens of teachers indicated they might exercise the Family Medical Leave Act to protect themselves or family members.

Dr. Jeck and his staff last Thursday briefed the five school board members — one or two at a time to avoid violating the state open meeting law — about the staffing challenges.

The board knew what to expect going into Monday night’s meeting at Fauquier High School.

“This is not about our community’s COVID numbers; this is not because of the position of the FEA,” school board member Susan Pauling (Center District) said before the vote. “This is based on what’s best for our students.

“This is not what we wanted to do.”

Chairman Duke Bland (Marshall) called the last five months the most difficult in his 15 years on the board.

“I’m a realist,” Mr. Bland said. “I don’t see how in the world we can pull it off with a hybrid system.”

Susanne Sloane (Scott) said: “I’m very disappointed in Mr. COVID, but I’m proud of our staff . . . .

“To vote no (on the shift to virtual instruction) would be to say I’m OK with sending kids into a school without a nurse.”

The school system prepared a contingency plan for a “pivot” to all-virtual instruction if forced to close its buildings because a surge in the virus.

That plan will move to the forefront and by next Monday, administrators will post schedules so students and parents will know what to expect day-by-day.

Mr. Warner described a system in which teachers would lead live instruction two days a week, students would work on their own two days a week with teacher support and Wednesday would serve as a planning day, as called for under the blended model.

Principals and teachers on Tuesday will begin focusing entirely on preparing for virtual instruction.

Dr. Jeck said the first week of classes for students essentially will serve as “orientation.”

Certain special education and career technical students will come into schools because of the requirements of their programs.

The school system has about 3,000 Chromebook laptop computers that will go first to students with the greatest needs — as will mobile hotspots to address connectivity challenges. Another 2,800 laptops could arrive in September, with 4,600 more by the end of the year.

But, with demand soaring because the move to online instruction across the nation, delivery schedules remain uncertain.

Schools will continue to provide meals for students in need and may have school bus drivers deliver food, supplies and instructional materials to homes.

The debate about how to reopen schools has generated intense, sometimes vitriolic debate, especially on social media.

“The bashing of our teachers and the dialog on our community pages is toxic,” Ms. Pauling said.

She pleaded for people “in a small community” to come together.

“Let’s be wise and smart, gracious adults and make this the best year possible,” Ms. Pauling said.

Stephanie Litter-Reber agreed: “I can only hope everybody can come together as a community and do what’s best for our kids.”

Dr. Jeck’s complete prepared statement:

As a result of the insurmountable barriers that have been described here, it is my belief that we cannot provide high-quality face-to-face instruction for the vast majority of our students. It is my recommendation to the School Board that we provide virtual instruction for students through the first term (December). I am sorry to make this recommendation.

Face-to-face instruction will be provided to some high-instance special education students based on the services required according to their IEPs. We will also be looking at ways to provide hands-on instruction for CTE students whose programs require exams (for credentialing or licensure).

We are researching the possibility of providing face-to-face instruction for our youngest students (k-2), but only if it can be provided safely and with fidelity. We have formed a committee of elementary principals and division staff that will present their research findings and make a recommendation prior to Labor Day.

Again, I am sorry to come to you with this revised recommendation. I told you that we would be ready with a mixed delivery model by August 24 and, although I felt that we had developed a good plan moving forward, COVID-19 related barriers have created some significant workforce barriers that have made implementing a blended model an impossible situation at this time.  


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null · August 18, 2020 at 12:45 am
Linda Ward - Emails would work if the school work was limited to light loads of data. However from what I can tell they're using video calls via Zoom which would be a lot more information than a few PDF files.

Everyone else, thanks.
Linda Ward · August 17, 2020 at 9:10 pm
null - You make more sense than the majority of "adults" posting on here. As to the mailing homework back and forth, you are aware, I hope, that there is an issue with the USPS at this moment. Emailing might work better, but what do I know, I'm neither a teacher or a student.
Jeffersonian American · August 17, 2020 at 8:40 pm
I wish to add my encouragement to the student below along with that of Ms. Rodgers.

Null, most importantly, I wish to encourage you to learn as much as you can about the world (and its history) and our universe around you; to pursue study and work experiences in your field of greatest personal interest and related fields whatever they may be; and to develop reasoned imaginations and perspectives of the future. With these attributes- you can do anything. Best of success to you.
Cammie Rodgers · August 17, 2020 at 6:06 pm
Thank you 18 year old null for putting forth your thoughts. It's important that we all sit down at the table, while social distancing and wearing masks, to find some way, some how, anything positive to make this work. The same old complaining isn't helping one bit. As for me, I'm glad I don't have any children in school at this time.
null · August 16, 2020 at 1:53 pm
As a student I'm pretty OK with this.

It'll let me wake up at a normal time, have more time to do important stuff like learning how to drive and getting a job and whatnot.

As for the people without internet, could always send homework through the mail back and forth, I don't know how well It'd work but it's better than nothing.

The point of closing the school is this. No matter what containment measures are taken, there will always be a chance of contagion.

I'd take a guess and say that schools would most likely be the number one source of spread if they re-open. Unless there were a lot of personell constantly coaching children to stay six feet apart, keep their masks on, and dont touch anything. The virus would spread like wildfire. A lot of children wouldn't understand WHY they should stay six feet apart and everything else.

Now yes, COVID-19 has a death rate in the lower 1-10 percent range. But it's those few percent we're trying to protect. People who have immunodeficiency disorders, people who are fairly old and don't have very good immune systems, those people would most likely die if they got it. Closing in-person schools slows the spread.

This opinion is coming from an 18 year old who doesn't really understand all the politics of the situation, so what do I know.
Alohaexpress · August 15, 2020 at 3:36 pm
Over 60+% of all Fauquier County tax dollars are allocated to the educating of our children yet the School Board still plays the victim card year in and year out.

It is highly interesting to note that this area's private schools, whose teachers and staff make far less salaries, have little if any health benefits, have far less job security, and don't have golden pensions, have no current staffing issues and are actually INCREASING their in person classroom capacities across the board.

With water under the bridge with this controversial decision to go all virtual, is it possible for the School Board and Administration to simply do their jobs and try to save the 2ND SEMESTER of the school year so that our children won't continue to suffer with remote only education ?




DonkeyFarmer · August 14, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Just wanted to let everyone know that if your child is an "English Learner" he or she gets in-person instruction under our wonderful governor's plan. They are given priority over your child that speaks English.

And before Silli and the rest of the teachers union says I am a liar, here is the text from Governor black-face:

Schools may offer limited in-person instruction to preschool through third grade and
English Learner students given the unique challenges of providing remote academic and
physical emotional support to young learners and English language learners.


MSpare · August 14, 2020 at 10:23 am
Silii -Maybe you didn't see my original posting. I am an essential worker who is out in this Covid mixing bowel everyday taking the best precautions I can. I can only be so careful and if I contract Covid, I do. But I cannot stop doing my job working with people with disabilities as a safety/security facilities officer until then. My kid is in the FCCC program here in Warrenton and for 8 weeks, she and 60 other children were in classes rooms of 10 and not 1 staff member at FCCC contracted Covid in that entire time frame. It can be done safely. My next challenge is to convene an exploratory group and method to recall the school board and organize a grass roots effort to locate and promote not only myself but others to run for the schoolboard. We also need to establish and promote others into the Fauquier County government that will no longer except the demands of the teachers union come contracting time. They can be safe and teach at the same time. Just look around at the all the business, first responders, retail stores, private schools, etc. that have made it work with low to no rates of infections.
gkiltz · August 14, 2020 at 9:39 am
Just understand this:
Back in the 1920s and 30s when we first consolidated from the one-room schoolhouses into the modern consolidated schools, we heard a lot of the same complaints we hear about "Distance learning" now.

Over time, however, everyone- Parents, students, educators, administrators, all involved, refined and tweaked consolidated education and it eventually became the dominant way of doing things for the world.

Now it's time to learn a totally new way to get, and give an education.
At first it WON'T be quite as good as what we did before-in SOME ways! It will be better in other ways.

Some children will adapt easier, some will have a hard time.

Teachers and administrators likewise, some will do well at first others will figure it out over time, others never will.

Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for the kids, children are very adaptable, and Darwin WAS right!

I have no doubt that this will be a difficult transition. but it is one we will learn over time how to make.

We learned how to shop online. We are learning to work online. The office of the "Mad Men" era is obsolete. As is the general department store. The economy will adapt, and we will two.

Keep one eye focused down the road and the other on your family. Everything will be fine, EVENTUALLY!!
Jeffersonian American · August 14, 2020 at 7:45 am
As no comments are being allowed for the local School Board Member OP-ED piece, INSURMOUNTABLE BARRIERS LED TO VIRTUAL INSTRUCTION, I list my recommendations here:

- The County must come to terms with its significantly dwindling annual Public School enrollments by lawful residents in all grades. Consolidate the schools and close poorer condition facilities for future sale to offset current and future County tax increases being planned. Our County Government operating budget must begin to shrink to address its recent decades failing quality of curriculum, over-taxation, over-spending and over-building. If we have too many illegal alien children in or around our public schools, they and their parents should be reported to ICE and deported. We have a County Sheriff to ensure this is done; and to uphold our Virginia and U.S. Constitutions.

- If there are special needs parents and students out there- those families may need to consider moving to a higher-taxation County to our North to pay for their child's Special Education, as the School Board Member's insider view suggests the County currently can't afford these programs. Send their children to Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, Arlington or Alexandria Public Schools where they can join tens of thousands of other special needs and non-English speaking students. Currently, over 200 foreign languages are spoken in Fairfax County Public Schools alone with ever-increasing taxation of legal County citizens paying the tabs for the very costly ESL teachers, free daily meals, supplies, etc. that the parents won't or can't provide to their children as they refuse to assimilate into our American society and English speaking culture. Just because these counties to our north have become uninhabitable Third World countries does not mean Fauquier County Taxpayers and legal citizens should be forever Overtaxed, Overspent and Overbuilt to extend these public school boundaries of hell as found in Fairfax County, for example. Preserve our traditional quality Virginia and American way of life here in Fauquier County.

- Parents and students who demand expensive new soccer fields and other physical plant amenities should enroll in another county school system to our north for the same reasons listed above.

- Recognizing our bloated local, State and Federal governments fail at EVERYTHING they run- and with the increasing local citizen abandonment of our local public schools and their AGENDA 21, "GOALS 2015" and STANDARDS OF LEARNING, etc., horrific curriculums (such as Dr. Jeck's mandatory reading list that includes study of Malcolm X instead of a million other more deserving historic Virginia and American figures of all races that might actually inspire public school children instead of perverting them). It is time to fire those individuals responsible for these travesties as part of our taxpayer consolidation and closure of the Overtaxed, Overspent and Overbuilt failing public school infrastructure and staff. Right-size the remaining number of high quality teachers and associated staff and pay them well according to their knowledge, skills, abilities, experience, performance evaluations and certifications.

- For those parents who still cannot afford homeschooling, private schools or community-run Hedge Schools, such as those operated out of local churches, of course I would prefer to fund a streamlined, right-sized, quality public education system that focuses on authentic reading, writing and arithmetic; classical studies, and English As The Only Language instruction (and immersion in English Classes Only for those recent immigrants who would benefit from that instruction). Those are the fewer buildings, higher quality education, and higher-paid teachers with professional certifications and qualifications that I would be willing to allocate my dwindling tax base to cover as a Fauquier County taxpaying citizen. Currently, the performance results itemized by the County School Board Member does not reflect these values- and it magnifies the systemic failures of the Radical Left takeover of our public schools in recent decades.

Last, it seems the truths which I speak to some of these issues- particularly historic facts- irks some of our readers below to react poorly without factual rebuttal, and without constructively offering solutions, to bring about changed minds and changed hearts and a positive change in our community. I recommend these Koffee Klatch Dissenters to volunteer thousands of hours in our local community to engage in quality public education efforts instead of insults. While volunteering in our local community for its betterment each year, try working thousands of hours annually while gainfully employed before you spin the bottle accusing someone of having "...too much time." Some of us readers only relate what we see and have seen from our life experiences. If that makes others uncomfortable, then sadly, they are in dire need of a factual history lesson.
nonewtaxes · August 14, 2020 at 12:02 am
two days a week and virtual without some broadband?? just cancel school for the fall and refund the money.
FairandBalanced · August 13, 2020 at 10:37 pm
but you do not produce change
FairandBalanced · August 13, 2020 at 10:21 pm
Jeffersonian American (and how proud and instructive and how destructive be that meme?) if only words were cancer cells, not even a few with malignancy in their conspiracy, you would be consumed. You are like a horses's ass. A hillbilly with too many teeth. A person with too much time. You kinda remind me of Michael Eric Dyson, the fountain with a mouth but nothing to say. keep the waters flowing. it sounds nice while i eat my tuna sandwich next to the babbling waters. you just irk me and probably others....
Jeffersonian American · August 13, 2020 at 10:07 pm
The Government-run Indoctrination Centers have been an unmitigated disaster for Virginia and our nation over the past half-century of a total and complete Marxist takeover of the education system. I should know- I witnessed the beginnings of that unwelcome takeover as a product of Fairfax County Public Schools beginning in the 1960s when Fairfax County was still recognizable as a vibrant and thriving Southern, Virginia, and American English-speaking community. There were zero foreign language signage or languages spoken in 1960s Fairfax County, unless you were studying at a local high school, like Robert E. Lee High School, named after one of the truly greatest Christians and sons ever produced by Virginia and our nation; or perhaps you were studying foreign languages at Fairfax High School- the affectionate "Home of the Rebels." Today, there are more than 200 foreign languages spoken by non-English speaking students in Fairfax County Public Schools alone.

Clearly, homeschooling, private schools or community organized Hedge Schools are the only good options for parents who wish to prevent their children from becoming little Committed Marxists at the hands of a thoroughly Radical Left Democrat Public School System- a system that teaches "equality" except for my race, my heritage and my ancestors' history- which is to be systematically erased from the so-called American Multiculturalism and Diversity coursework in the public schools (and Fauquier County's "Goals 2015," for example).

Better Homeschooling or Community Hedge School choices, parental control, return of Judeo-Christian teaching and prayer, return of the Ten Commandments and a removal of the Cultural Marxism in the Fauquier County and U.S. Public School systems are the key to American survival in the near future. Even in Fairfax County Public Schools, we never were indoctrinated to the evils of what the Minister of Hate, Malcolm X was spewing on television and in the evening news. Recently, however, I learned Fauquier County Public School Superintendent Jeck has placed a biography of Malcolm X on his required reading list for all County students. This is a disgrace, indeed, particularly when so many other "Black History" figures are so worthy of reading consideration (George Washington Carver comes to mind). And of course, nothing in the FCPS "GOALS 2015" emphasizes education of our unique American founding and American, Virginia, Fauquier and Confederate heritage and the many contributions of Americans of European descent in addition to the contributions of generations of black slaves and freemen, and other races.

To address the issue of public schools in America today- this article is further proof that Home Schooling, Community-run Hedge Schools or a quality Private School education, is far more beneficial to young students than the Globalist, Agenda 21, Fauquier County "Goals 2015" Cultural Marxism Agenda being perpetrated upon millions of condemned public school children Pre-K through 12th Grade across our land in the 21st Century. Not to mention the American Culture War being waged against young adults in the Radical Left public universities and colleges.

To address the most fundamental issue of our time, all Thinking Americans should read the following timely essay of what is truly at stake:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/democrats_using_trump_hatred_to_seduce_the_educated_and_affluent_into_supporting_class_suicide.html
FairandBalanced · August 13, 2020 at 9:32 pm
children are the parent's responsibility first and foremost. American life is full of changes, anxiety, danger and possibilities. who knows where this will all lead? keep your kids close and safe and then worry about yourself.
FairandBalanced · August 13, 2020 at 9:17 pm
schools are not safe drop off points for people who decided to have children.
Silii · August 13, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Mspare, I thought you were making a very reasonable comment until I got to your vitriol against teachers. I repeat,for those of you who would rather the schools be open in person, BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION. Apply to be a substitute teacher. Certified teachers in the county are, and have been, in short supply. Covid 19 can cause all sorts of permanent damage, especially to the heart, even when you have a 'mild' case. So sorry so many of you hold such hatred in your hearts towards our teachers who also want their STUDENTS to be safe. Yes, children die from covid 19. Yes, children spread it. Yes, children can have permanent organ damage. This virus has so many unknowns, that's why it's called the novel coronavirus. If you think your kids are safe, then get them out and aboout in other ways, get them infected, let them infect you and their grandparents and siblings. And, how ridiculous is it to suggest that teachers not go to stores because of the virus. Wearing a mask at the grocery store is very different from being in a room with lousy ventilation, in the faces of and in physical contact with students. You need to be contacting the White House and asking why this administration totally messed up the response to this pandemic. Don't take it out on our educators.
Alohaexpress · August 13, 2020 at 1:02 pm
Question for the FEA leadership and those teachers and staff (you know who you are) who sabatoged the school system and your contractual responsibilities:

- How would you explain to your 3rd grader that some teachers lied and cheated the system and caused schools to close down?

nonewtaxes · August 13, 2020 at 9:47 am
teachers should also avoid stores that sell bacon, ice cream, and tobacco. those things kill more people then covid
nonewtaxes · August 13, 2020 at 9:45 am
nobody aint saying covid is a hoax, some of us are saying it is not the black death. some of us are saying that covid cannot be cured therefore you must learn to live with it. surely it will be easier to live with it after a vaccine comes out but vaccine can take decades to arrive. we are saying we are not going to biden out for decades.

some of us are saying that although covid is out and about the harn to school age children is minimal. in fact, there are probably far more sources of harm to school age children then covid and some of them increase with a decrease is schooling such as lower nutrition and more child abuse gone undetected

some of us cant reconcile teachers staying at home for work but going about the balance of their precovid life for the most part. additionally, some of us cant reconcile teachers staying home for safety yet nearly everybody else is working.

it would be an eye opening if all of the cashiers across the country stopped coming to work because having 1,000 nameless people cross their path everyday yet they show up for work - seems they need a union

to think that the democrat favoring unions didnt stop work to hurt trump via the economy is to see things wearing woke goggles - very distorted

sili says to sit down shut up and deal with it. let us assume that a working couple in the county each make $50,000 per year and now one parent has to stay home to watch their kids. cutting that household budget in half is devastating. In addition, the parent that stays home probably misses out one the next promotion and that ripple throughout their career.
The teachers decision is costing working families ten of thousands of dollars.

why would school choice be a bad thing? the unions would lose power. democrats block school choice - they are in bed with the union
MSpare · August 13, 2020 at 8:42 am
Can we please use this forum for what it was designed for - expressing our views and thoughts in a responsible manner and not a bicker fest of back and forth. For all those "uninformed", COVID is not a hoax, it is real and there is an abundance of reputable science to back it up. I heard the entire interview and came away with WTF. Did Dr. Jeck's handlers properly prepare him? If you are to do an interview to give reasoning to why you went the direction choose, back it up intelligently. What I heard made no sense what so ever. As for the teachers, now that you are not going to be teaching in class to a reduced number of students, reduced by 1/2, because of fear of contracting the virus. I assume you are going to stop going to Target, CVS, Walgreens, Homegoods, Walmart, TJmax Kohl's, etc. for fear of getting Covid. Liars and hypocrites.
Demosthenes · August 13, 2020 at 8:37 am
Some of the logic in that interview is confusing for sure, especially when talking about rural internet connections.

One difference between the board meeting and that interview is that Jeck repeatedly says in the interview that the number of students who were choosing virtual was rising rapidly just in the last week and that led to many logistical problems. Maybe the hybrid system works if most students are still going into the school, but not if more and more families keep their children at home? I'm not sure I understand.
brandonj · August 13, 2020 at 7:49 am
The interviewer did a fantastic job though.
brandonj · August 13, 2020 at 7:47 am
@DonkeyFarmer agree it was a pretty terrible interview in line with the rest of the irrational political discourse.
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 11:00 pm
Well you should listen to it.

https://www.wmal.com/the-larry-oconnor-show/



Dr. Jeck makes no sense. He says the reason for 100% virtual instruction is that Fauquier County does not have the ability to give virtual instruction to 33% of students and we have horrible internet access. He even says his own home in Orlean has no internet access. What sense does that make to go 100% virtual? He can't explain it.

If you read between the lines, he is reluctant to say anything bad about teachers. Even though he admits it was a couple dozen teachers that ruined his entire plan.

I don't blame Dr. Jeck. He is in a bad position. The teachers union instructed teachers to threaten him with the FLMA. What is he supposed to do?

What I do think is that the entire school board needs to resign. Useless. Vote
5-0 for everything the teaches union wants.

Hey School Board! You don't work for the teachers! They have their union! You work for the taxpayers! You are doing a terrible job and should resign in shame.
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 10:41 pm
Not yet
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 10:39 pm
Demo - In all seriousness, did you listen to Dr. Jeck on WMAL?
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 10:19 pm
OK DF you got me.

Maybe.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 9:50 pm
Demo- If you can't tell seems that would make you the dumb one?
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 9:35 pm
I really can't tell if you are too dumb to get sarcasm or not sometimes DF
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 9:25 pm
Demo - It takes a good man to admit when they are wrong. I congratulate you on coming to your senses.
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 9:20 pm
DF - I guess you are right. It is impossible that the union favors a democrat in office, while also separately making recommendations about school closings. If those two things both exist, they obviously MUST be connected. That totally makes sense.
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 9:14 pm
Demo- I posted evidence the NEA is trying to keep schools shut, and trying to help Biden win. Along with evidence of their extreme hate of Donald Trump and Betsy Devos. If you choose to remain willfully ignorant, that is your problem.
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 9:14 pm
nonewtaxes - I would never say that teachers have a more dangerous job than others. I simply said that they probably didn't sit this one out because of that crazy theory of yours that they are trying to undermine Trump. That idea is laughable.
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Sure the NEA is political. Every union in the country has calculated that democrats are going to get them a better deal than republicans. But there is still no evidence that schools are being shut down to undermine the Trump presidency. That would take massive secret coordination from teachers in states all across the country.
nonewtaxes · August 12, 2020 at 9:05 pm
Jeck should have done his homework before trying to talk. You know why he couldnt give a rational answer - he didnt want to say that the union refused to show up for work.
nonewtaxes · August 12, 2020 at 9:04 pm
demo, its not one or the other its one because of the other.

Q What makes teaching more hazardous then any other work getting done right now? How is teaching more dangerous than working the register at the grocery store?

DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 8:40 pm
Demo - But they are working across the nation to keep the schools shut. This is the position of the N.E.A. Are you going to deny they are trying to keep schools shut?

Here, from the NEA website, today:

NEA President: The Biden-Harris Ticket Is “Dream Team” For Public Education And Students - August 11, 2020

Florida educators file lawsuit to protect health and well-being of students, educators and communities - July 20, 2020

Trump, DeVos ignore educators on what it will take to reopen schools safely - July 7, 2020

Biden To Educators: "You are the most important profession in the United States. You are the ones that give these kids wings.” - July 3, 2020

NEA slams Trump-Devos pursuit of school vouchers in COVID relief package - July 2, 2020

Conservative Supreme Court opens the door for DeVos’s voucher schemes - June 30, 2020

JOINT STATEMENT: Educators and parents respond to Trump push to reopen schools - July 7, 2020

NEA President Applauds Joe Biden’s Roadmap to Reopening Schools Safely - July 17, 2020

NEA to McConnell: ‘Do your job, quit playing politics, start negotiating and pass legislation that isn’t full of callous catches, caveats and carve outs’ - July 23, 2020

Trump doubles down on threats to withhold federal funding while pushing vouchers that steal scarce money from public schools - July 23, 2020


Wow Demo, this is not political at all..
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 8:23 pm
DF you need to read the whole conversation between myself and nonewtaxes a bit better. He said that the union is shutting down schools to get Biden elected. I assume that involves tanking the economy and creating fear. But Fauquier county is going to vote for Trump anyway. To affect a national election you would need millions of teachers across the country working together on that goal. That seems unlikely, therefore his crazy assertion that the union is shutting down schools in order to make Trump look bad and get Biden elected is in the same realm as believing that lizard men are now running the government.
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 8:15 pm
Notice how Silli just goes right to his default "Orange Man Bad!"

It's getting old buddy. Go call your union for new talking points.
DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 8:13 pm
Demo - you don't need "millions and millions" of teachers calling in sick and you know this. And it is not secret. The teachers union has publicly advocated it's members use the FMLA if they do not feel safe going boack to work.


Here, it only took a few dozen teachers to threaten Dr. Jeck with the FMLA to close the schools. not hundreds, not millions.

Dr. Jeck had a plan with staffing 4 weeks ago. What changed?
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 8:06 pm
nonewtaxes -

We should definitely ask ourselves the question:

Which is more likely?

That teachers are all secretly working together. And not just here but all across the country, millions and millions of them. And they are doing it without breaking ranks and admitting it at any time to anyone in the media or even in an anonymous discussion like this one. All to cancel schools in order to create fear so that their candidate can win an election? Keep in mind, some teachers vote for Republicans. Why would they help with this enormous cover-up?

Or that there is a real virus that has disrupted life?

It's so tough to call! Which is it?!
Silii · August 12, 2020 at 7:55 pm
Liberty I - time for you to home school and sever your ties with the public education system. Hardly anyone can hide from the virus but it is really very stupid and naive to do things that are known to cause spread.
Angry Bob - I said green card workers.
Last I looked, it was the current administration that has totally botched handling corona virus spread, thus causing the economy to tank, over 165,000 people to die and counting, get the national debt into the trillions, get impeached, violate the emoluments clauses for his own personal gain...
nonewtaxes · August 12, 2020 at 6:51 pm
yeah, we should all make our decisions based on college football. Sounds like you've been playing without a helmet.

you cannot supply any valid reason for keeping kids out of class except that the union is supporting biden by trying to keep the economy closed.

You are using our kids as political pawns. That aint gonna end good for you.

DonkeyFarmer · August 12, 2020 at 5:13 pm
Anybody hear Dr. Jeck on WMAL?

He made absolutely no sense.
Demosthenes · August 12, 2020 at 5:05 pm
I wrote about college football being shut down yesterday thinking that all ya'll would connect the dots. But Silli, who is probably of the same mind as me on a lotta things, didn't understand my point so I gotta guess no one did.

When I wrote about college football shutting down, I spected that my fellow fauquiernow trolls would all have an internal monologue like this one here:
"Good Lord, college football is shut down! This means that all those coaches and football players are lazy and were looking to collect their salary or scholarships without actually doing any work this year! Now wait a sec. That don't make no sense. Football players and coaches love what they do and probably miss it. Oh my god. I've been saying that all these teachers are lazy and tryin to steal our money for a year without working. But the teachers I had growing up were crazy about teaching. What have I been saying? I gotta write them an apology."

Or the other internal monologue ya'll mighta had goes like this here:
"Our county leadership is so dumb. If only they knew the SCIENCE like I do. It is a HOAX designed by the LIBS to bring down our dearly beloved President in November. Wait a sec, they cancelled the college football season!? But that'll be a multi-billion dollar loss, and the folks who run football are smart. If they are willing to cancel the season, wait this hurts to think about. If they are willing to cancel the season maybe this isn't a hoax. Maybe there is a real health crisis. Oh my gosh. That means our county leadership isn't half as dumb as I thought. I gotta write them an apology."

I didn't see any news today about increased numbers of patients at Fauquier hospital being admitted with brain aneurysms, so those internal monologues I had imagined probably didn't occur to anyone.
AngryBob · August 12, 2020 at 3:06 pm
@Silli: I may be a crazy right winger, but I am a big fan of public schools. I graduated from Fauquier High back when it had no air conditioning and smelled like the neighboring uncapped sewage treatment plant. And I still decided to raise my family here because I thought I received a great education there.

I have no problem with paying my county taxes. You pay in so that when it's your turn to send your kids, it's not $25k/year per kid. But I've paid my taxes and now I still have to pay for private school. (Of course, people who never have kids get the short end of the stick on this one.)

No comparison to illegal aliens. Crossing the border illegally shouldn't put them in line in front of those immigrating legally. It's not fair.
Singlemom1 · August 12, 2020 at 2:28 pm
As a single mom my thoughts are this. Whether my child is physically in school or at a daycare facility(since there is no in-classroom school instruction offered) he will still be around kids. We cannot hide from COVID, we need to get on with our lives and live while, being safe doing so. Liberty1 and many others on this thread with similar views I agree with your posts.
Liberty1 · August 12, 2020 at 2:18 pm
Silli You are not going to hide from the virus. This is not about child or family safety or the schools will close during flu season. This is about laziness, an election in November and power
Liberty1 · August 12, 2020 at 2:12 pm
Any thoughts on a Boycott of the first week of school? All parents do not allow kids to log in. Show our unity. Teach our kids about real constructive peaceful protests instead of the garbage they are taught in school? We all know they wont miss anything real education wise.
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