November 21, 2019
“Second Amendment sanctuary” status mulled
Seven Virginia county boards this month have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions, which have no legally binding effect.
I’m all for lawful gun ownership. I have a concealed carry permit. But, part of me is, we’re the board of supervisors. We don’t enforce laws.
— Supervisor Rick Gerhardt
The Lee District supervisor has “mixed emotions” over whether Fauquier should join a growing number of Virginia counties that have designated themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries.”
While the designation carries no legal authority, proponents say it sends a message that local government would do nothing that might erode the constitutional right to bear arms.
Fresh off Nov. 5 elections that will give them majorities in the Virginia House and Senate, Democrats already have filed or discussed legislation that would:
• Make it easier to confiscate guns from those considered threats to themselves or others — so-called “red flag laws.”
• Expand background checks of purchasers in all firearms transfers, including private party sales and those at gun shows.
• Ban high-capacity ammunition magazines. Some also want to ban the sale of “assault weapons” and “bump stocks” that increase the rate at which a weapon will fire.
Gov. Ralph Northam (D) supports tougher gun laws, which the 2020 General Assembly will consider when it convenes Wednesday, Jan. 8.
So far, Appomattox, Campbell, Carroll, Charlotte and Pittsylvania counties have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions, according to The Roanoke Times. Supervisors in Amherst and Franklin counties will consider following suit.
“I’ve got mixed emotions about it, because the sheriff and the commonwealth’s attorney are the constitutional officers that enforce the law, not the board of supervisors,” Lee District Supervisor Chris Butler said.
Sheriff Bob Mosier declined to comment Thursday afternoon on whether the supervisors should designate Fauquier a Second Amendment sanctuary.
"That’s going to be up to the board of supervisors,” Sheriff Mosier said. “I support the Second Amendment of the Constitution. I have a constitutional oath as sheriff.”
While he remains uncertain whether a resolution would be “worth the paper it’s written on,” Mr. Butler believes the board “needs to send a message to Richmond that we don’t support any laws that infringe on Second Amendment rights.”
The board on Nov. 14 added that position to its priorities for the General Assembly: “Fauquier County strongly opposes any legislative attempts to undermine or limit legal and Constitutional gun ownership in the County and Commonwealth of Virginia.”
The supervisors will meet Thursday, Dec. 12, when they might consider a “draft” resolution to affirm the board’s “intent to uphold the constitutional rights afforded our citizens . . . and declares its intent to oppose all those who attempt to infringe on those rights.”
But, the one-page resolution makes no reference to Fauquier as a Second Amendment sanctuary.
As of Wednesday, Mr. Butler had received five emails on the matter — four from residents who believe the board should designate Fauquier as such a sanctuary and one who opposes it.
“We haven’t discussed as a board” what action, if any, it should take on the issue, said the supervisors' chairman, a gun owner and “strong” Second Amendment backer. “And that’s something we probably need to do, especially if we continue to hear from constituents, between now and December 12.”
He has gotten emails that included resolutions from other counties, Mr. Butler said.
“I’m sending them to (Deputy County Attorney Tracy A. Gallehr) and letting her slice and dice them and then circle back to us,” he said.
In the end, any formal statement by the board could be a resolution indicating that “we don’t support any infringement upon lawful gun ownership,” Mr. Butler added.
Supervisors Mary Leigh McDaniel (Marshall) and Rick Gerhardt (Cedar Run) said they want to learn more about the sanctuary concept before commenting.
But, Mr. Gerhardt questioned the practical effects of sanctuary status.
“I’m all for lawful gun ownership,” Mr. Gerhardt said. “I have a concealed carry permit. But, part of me is, we’re the board of supervisors. We don’t enforce laws. Really, this is more focused on the sheriff, who’s going to be tasked with enforcing” new gun laws.
Despite uncertainty about the sanctuary concept, the Cedar Run supervisor wants it understood that he respects the Second Amendment and backs “lawful gun ownership.”
While Ms. McDaniel has “no positon at this point” on whether the board should designate Fauquier a Second Amendment sanctuary, she believes it would provide no benefit to the county.
As of Thursday, she had received a phone call and an email supporting Fauquier’s designation as a Second Amendment sanctuary, Ms. McDaniel said.
“I thanked them for taking the time to comment and said we’re just listening to what people are saying at this point,” the supervisor said she told the caller. “He said, ‘Thank you’.”
Mr. Butler, a hunter who also has a permit to carry a concealed gun, understands why some worry about potentially stricter gun laws.
“Fauquier’s a big hunting community,” the supervisor said. “We’ve got a nice sporting clay range in Remington where folks enjoy being able to shoot firearms. We’ve got a nice shooting range at (the Chester F. Phelps Wildlife Management Area) in Sumerduck. So firearms are kind of a way of life here.”
While “folks are concerned” about preserving gun rights, Mr. Butler stressed that the General Assembly has taken no action to change any laws.
“You’ve got some proposed bills that folks are coming out with,” he said. “I just think it’s a little quick to get on any bandwagon until we know where the wagon’s going.”
Supervisors Chris Granger (Center District) and Holder Trumbo (Scott) couldn’t be reached for comment.
Contact Don Del Rosso at Don@FauquierNow.com or 540-270-0300.
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Jeffersonian American · December 4, 2019 at 9:31 pm
Fauquier County Compatriots, as of this morning and increasing daily, 41 Virginia Counties, small cities and towns have enacted their 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Resolutions, including our immediate neighbors Rappahannock and Culpeper Counties. Their stalwart local government elected officials and Sheriffs did not hesitate to act decisively to protect and defend our citizens and our State and U.S. Constitutions. And so it is up to thousands of us to ensure our local Fauquier officials and Sheriff understand how critical the line in the sand must be drawn now against the horrific bills being readied for passing by the incoming majority Democrat State Legislature and the incumbent Democrat Blackface/Klansman Governor who won't admit which character he is in his Medical University yearbook photograph.
Fauquier Government officials take heed of the wisdom and strength of the words of our two neighboring County Sheriffs in defense of our most sacred rights against unconstitutional legislation and infringement:
"I am in favor of the Second Amendment Sanctuary. I believe we need to send a message to Richmond that our citizens will take a stance. My deputies and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution and that’s what we will do," Rappahannock County Sheriff Connie Compton told Townhall.com.
Culpeper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins praised the Board of Supervisors for passing a Second Amendment sanctuary provision.
"I remain very optimistic that our General Assembly will not pass the proposed bills. Obviously, if passed, there are many of us willing to challenge these laws through the courts. In addition, if necessary, I plan to properly screen and deputize thousands of our law-abiding citizens to protect their constitutional right to own firearms," Jenkins added.
Many other Virginia County Sheriffs have gone on the public record in strong defense of our Second Amendment rights and support for the powerful messages these County resolutions send to Richmond to put the Democrat Radicals on notice. Where do we find such local elected Fauquier officials of integrity to publically pledge fidelity to our Virginia and U.S. Constitutions in the strongest manner possible? It seems to date we will need a very strong reminder to them in great numbers at the upcoming public hearing to get them to finally speak up as strongly and forthrightly as our neighboring counties have done this week.
Northern Virginia is already telegraphing their likelihood of turning into a Stalinist Zone of rampant Radical Left Totalitarianism. Let us draw the line at Fauquier County to avoid such a fate that is coming down across Northern Virginia- before its too late.
For all the Handwringers and Fence Sitters still on the sidelines of this watershed moment in Virginia history, here is how despotic the forthcoming Democrat legislation actually is, now being readied for passage in Richmond in early January:
Virginia Democrat State Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, who represents portions of Alexandria, Fairfax County and Falls Church, all suburbs of Washington D.C., sponsored S.B. 16, which would prohibit the sale, transfer and possession of so-called “assault firearms” and certain magazines. Violating the measure would be a state felony.
The text of the proposed legislation goes further than the states with the strictest of gun control laws. If passed, Virginia’s lawmakers would instantly turn lawful owners of America’s most popular-selling centerfire rifle into instant felons, unless they dispossess themselves of their legally purchased modern sporting rifle. There are way more than 16 million modern sporting rifles in private ownership in America. While the exact number of these popular rifles in Virginia isn’t known as state-specific estimates don’t exist, it’s important to note there is no proposed grandfather clause to exempt the likely several hundreds of thousands of rifles already in legal possession or even to register them.
Another bill by Saslaw would not only impose universal background checks in the state, but make it a crime for a parent to allow their minor child unsupervised access to a firearm, even in cases of self-defense and no matter how much training and education that parent may have provided.
These bills and others directly infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, and Democrats are deluding some Virginians by pretending otherwise. The simple fact is that anti-gun lawmakers are in complete control of the state for the first time in 26 years, and they’re bound and determined to make the most of their legislative majorities to attack the Second Amendment rights of Virginians, as the Radical Left in these "Comments" columns so clearly state below.
A necessary moment in history is upon us, my fellow Virginians- our Virginia and State Constitutions cannot defend themselves from Bolshevik Forces- WE THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS MUST DEFEND THEM.
FairandBalanced · December 1, 2019 at 3:15 pm
WAPO got it right today in one of their opinion pieces. It called the Second Amendment sanctuary movement an 'agenda' fanned by 'mischief-makers'. To the contrary, it says, '...gun legislation with the best chance of passage would promote public safety by requiring universal background checks...' a measure with overwhelming bipartisan support in Virginia. Also, bills limiting the number of guns sold is an anti-trafficker measure that was the law for 20 years in Virginia.
The 'Reg-flag' laws being proposed are different from the nonsense some rural Repubs are comparing to mass gun confiscations. These new laws generally depend on an order from a judge after consideration evidence presented in court.
'Local authorities who refuse such orders would be thumbing their noses not just at state law but also judicial orders-and they should be removed from office and prosecuted'. Amen!
Linda Ward · November 30, 2019 at 7:32 pm
Donkey Farmer - You are ASSUMING a lot. When was the last time I said something about the current POTUS not counting this line of comments? Do I hate what he is doing to this country, you bet ya! Am I consumed by him, no, but I wish he would stop wanking about how unfairly he is being treated and get to WORK, no more photo ops.
You don't need an excuse huh? It just comes naturally to you is that what you are saying? You must wake up every morning thinking how superior you are to everyone else. Pompous windbag.
Tony Bentley · November 30, 2019 at 6:26 pm
"Americans own by far more guns per person than residents of any other country. Of the world's estimated 650 million civilian-owned guns, nearly half — 310 million guns — are owned by Americans.
Now consider this: Gun homicide rates are more than 25 times higher in the U.S. than in any of the other wealthy nations. And gun-related suicides are eight times higher in the U.S. than in other high-income countries.
The U.S. also has the tragic distinction of having by far the most mass shootings of any nation on Earth.
Present federal law only requires licensed gun dealers to initiate background checks. And since gun sales often take place between unlicensed persons, approximately 40 percent of all firearms transferred in the U.S. are done without a background check. Congress needs to close this dangerous, giant loophole.
There is no comprehensive national system of gun registration. Again, Congress needs to step up to the plate and pass comprehensive gun registration legislation.
Congress also needs to ban assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazine clips, which have been used in many mass shootings."
And tell the NRA to go to hell when they want to contribute (bribe) government officials in the guise of campaign contributions.
DonkeyFarmer · November 30, 2019 at 5:26 pm
Linda- I don't need an "excuse" to use the word Nazi. Just because you and Tony have determined it. And seriously, can you get through one post without mentioning Trump? You must wake up every morning thinking of him. Sad to be consumed with such hate.
Tony- If you have a gun law you think will prevent mass shootings, let's hear it. As I said in my first post, I'd be on board. I am not however going to support Democrat efforts to pass laws simply to punish gun owners. So let's hear your idea Tony, or are you just going to keep arguing over words?
Linda Ward · November 30, 2019 at 10:33 am
Donkey Farmer - I agree that Mr. Bentley saying you have an affiliation with the Nazi party is ludicrous simply because you used the term. As you said it's on the internet, still not a good excuse. Words such as "word police" or spelling "perfectionist" would have sufficed.
I do agree with Mr. Bentley that there are many words that don't belong in this comment section.
You chose the one you did for your own reasons. Considering what that group of people did to millions of human beings makes it a word that I do not use to comment on something as simple as a misspelling of a word.
You are reading too much into Mr. Bentley's comments. Why would he boycott you for using the word Nazi? It's not like you are one, right. Hopefully the real ones have all died off by now.
2nd Amendment rights - an amendment fraught with all kinds of problems due to the fact it was written before anyone had any idea what kinds of weapons were going to be available to the general public. We may need those weapons sooner then anyone had thought after next years Presidential election. Trump will have 2 months to tear this country further apart if the outcome isn't as his followers planned.
Tony Bentley · November 30, 2019 at 9:13 am
DF: This isn't about gun "issues" it's about gun "control". Sensible gun control, and we are out of control in this country concerning the issue of guns and people who should not be able to have access to them.
Keep your guns, since you say you are a responsible owner, yet be aware that not everyone has the best intentions, and your guns can be turned against you and the community at large.
Jim Griffin · November 30, 2019 at 8:30 am
DF: I agree with you that this is no place for ad hominem attack -- and that goes in both directions. We've both felt the crazy heat from the glare and name calling, which has no role in civilized community discussion.
Over time, and with the cessation of the name calling, I've come to appreciate DonkeyFarmer. I needn't agree with his every statement and position to enjoy responsible discourse with him, and others.
We've much more in common than we do differences. Lincoln put it well: If two people think the same, we don't need one of them.
Besides, I suggest we appreciate every civil right and cling to them. The Second Amendment is vital to a full appreciation of defending all of them. I would fight to defend his right to his AR-15, just as I hope he would fight for the First Amendment and others.
The only phrase with which I disagree in your last statement is "This is their M.O." I write this because lumping and dumping people by party, belief or slant or other convenient grouping is almost always a mistake, just as if I was to mistakenly group criminals with rational gun owners in disagreement.
Harvard's Larry Tribe is one of the eminent constitutional scholars I respect most. He agrees: The Second Amendment is an individual right, not solely a militia right. As he puts it, if you can't find an individual right to own a gun in the US Constitution, you sure cannot locate a right to reproductive freedom, which is never specifically mentioned in it:
The constitution recognizes both rights, and there isn't a constitutional right claimed that I cannot support. It's all about freedom and, yes, we should cling to it all.
Pseudonymous speech, too. I prefer we all stand behind our comments with our real names because I want to get to know and better understand everyone here, but pseudonymous speech is also a civil right protected by the constitution -- though not applicable to private settings like this news site or Facebook.
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 10:17 pm
I hope people like Jim can see why we dont use our real names on this forum. Can you imagine if I owned a business in this community? You think for a second Tony Bently would not be calling for a boycott? He has called me a Nazi for using the word. This is their M.O. They attack the person because they have nothing else. Tony Bently will not discuss the issue of gun laws, just attacks the person.
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 10:08 pm
Mary- nobody is debating the term "well regulated." You thought it meant "restricted." You were wrong. It means properly equipped. Properly running. State of the art. Quite the opposite of what you thought. The founders believed the people should be armed with the latest and greatest. There is no debate about it except in your mind.
firstname.lastname@example.org · November 29, 2019 at 8:57 pm
Well the term "well regulated" has been and will continue to be debated and open to interpretation in terms of the 21st Century. It doesn't take a genius to realize that the needs of today are quite different from when the Constitution was written
Tony Bentley · November 29, 2019 at 6:19 pm
DF - Not going to work. Don't throw your feces back at me to cover for the fact you like to use a certain word, ad nauseum. That word has no place here or anywhere in America.
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 5:09 pm
Tony- I was correcting my own spelling and the term "spelling Nazi" is commonly used on the internet. I did not refer to any particular person on this forum. You, however, have now personally attacked me and accused me of being some kind of Nazi lover. You are the type of person that is not very bright or persuasive so you resort to attacking the person that does not agree with you.
Tony Bentley · November 29, 2019 at 4:48 pm
Donkey Farmer - Are you saying that your comment about spelling Nazis added to the conversation? It is quite evident that you like using the term Nazis. Anything in your background to suggest you have a soft spot for them?
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 4:44 pm
Tony - Another of your posts that adds nothing to the conversation. Go back to CNN now.
Tony Bentley · November 29, 2019 at 3:38 pm
Donkey Farmer commented "*Deprivation. *Blacksburg. For the spelling Nazis."
It looks like you are the only one that holds that title DF.
Linda Ward · November 29, 2019 at 3:33 pm
Donkey Farmer - Do you consider this statement to explain a well regulated militia?
The AR-15 can still shoot more projectiles per minute then any 1770 weapon being a semi-automatic.
"Same as any other semi-automatic. It’s one round per trigger pull. Now remember a trigger pull is basically curling your finger against a 5 pound weight. From there we have the size of the magazine which could be from 5–30 depending on your state and preference. Now a semi skilled shooter could probably get 60 rounds per minute out and a more skilled about 100 per minute. Generally after a minute of that you shall have to give the whole gun a cooling off period. Now technically there is a 100 round drum you could use but no one does as they are heavy and Jam a lot. Now taking Cruz for example as they say he used 10 round magazines and could probably change them in 2 seconds. Considering he was not used to pulling a trigger nor had any training he might of been 30–40 rounds a minute but he did get 6 minutes."
Linda Ward · November 29, 2019 at 3:30 pm
Cart before the horse.
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 10:45 am
Maryjdkns- You have no idea what you are talking about. "Well regulated" does not mean restricted. It means properly functioning, like a "well regulated watch" would be properly functioning.
email@example.com · November 29, 2019 at 10:03 am
The Second Amendment calls for a well regulated militia. The founding fathers always foresaw that laws would have to be tweaked to meet the times.. they did not believe in lawlessness. Having Common Sense gun laws will not hurt anyone and will help everyone.
farmbum · November 29, 2019 at 8:11 am
DF - Insightful emotional commentary while inciting others to not follow the rule of law, nor be bound to the legislative processing of the rule of law.
Anarchy comes to mind.
DonkeyFarmer · November 29, 2019 at 6:47 am
farmbum - think you mean "incite"
farmbum · November 29, 2019 at 6:19 am
JA - Proposed, brazen, totalitarian wording in support of bills that undermine the rule of law are yours. Here and now, they come not from Richmond, but by you and those that seek to support this "sanctuary" status.
You seek to insight others to not follow the law, and to only support those laws that you agree with. How nefarious of you.
Jeffersonian American · November 28, 2019 at 8:46 pm
Just a clarification for one or two fellow citizens below who desperately need a history lesson. We are talking about brazen, totalitarian ** UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS ** being proposed by the incoming regime in Richmond- which is key to this entire issue and public discussion to take place by the Public Weal (our local, legal Fauquier County citizens) as enshrined in our Virginia Declaration of Rights. Delegate Webert's heart may be in the right place, but he is mistaken about the "non-binding" part- Legally binding is what the Public Weal says is binding here in Virginia according to our Virginia Declaration of Rights. I encourage everyone who has not read the VDR to study this document that still guides us in our current time- thank you George Mason, Father of our Bill of Rights; and as it turned out- our wisest American Founder and the one who saw the farthest down the road into the future where centralized government power has ultimately led to tyranny over the decades:
SECTION 3 of the Virginia Declaration of Rights specifically of note:
"That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration. And that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community has an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal."
On a related note, I'd like to pass along what happened in Madison County this week from a trusted source and eyewitness present at their County 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Resolution meeting- and he reports their board originally wanted to push the date of decision out to some distant time in the middle of the night so they would not have to deal with the Madison County CITIZENS. Fortunately, enough citizens showed up in strong numbers to the meeting that the Supervisors went ahead and passed something. ONE of the 5 voted "NO." The Madison County citizen eyewitness reports this Government official's name is now mud in Madison County and I suspect he will be lucky to be able to buy a loaf of bread from now on, prior to his being thrown out of office next Election Day.
Let us pray our County citizens, Board and Sheriff all come together united in purpose and action by December 12th to put a stop to these unconstitutional legislative acts being promised by Richmond. If our local and State Government elected officials cannot protect our citizens from unconstitutional acts currently being promised to legislate against the citizens of Virginia to infringe upon our most sacred rights, the Public Weal can and will protect all Virginians under the guidelines of our Virginia Declaration of Rights.
Jeffersonian American · November 28, 2019 at 7:53 am
We stand with you Delegate Webert, and will support you in this fight against unconstitutional totalitarianism emerging from the Radical Left soon to take total control over both the Legislative and Executive Branches of our Virginia Government. It is critically important our like-minded, law-abiding Virginia citizens contact their Board of Supervisors- all of them- by phone, email and signed petitions to voice their support of the 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Resolution for Fauquier and other counties to send a warning message to the hostile radical regime in Richmond that unconstitutional laws passed in violation of our U.S. and Virginia constitutions will not be enforced.
A Second Amendment Sanctuary is any locality that says it will not enforce any unconstitutional (federal or state) gun laws. Many County Sheriffs are going to take their county's lead on this and county police could be told not to enforce such laws either (law enforcement officers do not have to- and shouldn't- enforce any unconstitutional laws).
In just three weeks, 23 Virginia counties have already declared themselves 2nd Amendment Sanctuary counties- and the list continues to grow daily. I strongly encourage my fellow citizens and compatriots to learn more facts of the recent day swift and decisive public actions (and photographs) taken by fellow citizen compatriots in other Virginia counties at the following link:
In addition, it is critically important to gather actual SIGNATURES on petitions to the Fauquier County Board of Supervisors, now in place locally in the Town of Warrenton and Fauquier County locations, to be collected after 1200 NOON on 6 DEC to be delivered to the County Board of Supervisors to supplement the emails, phone calls and other communications to our local County Board members. In addition, we need as many law-abiding Fauquier citizens and compatriots to turn out at the Fauquier County Board Meeting on Thursday 12 December in defense of our 2nd Amendment Rights under our U.S. and Virginia constitutions- and to demonstrate the urgent need for Fauquier County to join the many other pro-active Virginia counties to send their powerful 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Resolution ordinance message from Fauquier County to the hostile regime in Richmond that their unconstitutional acts will not be enforced here locally.
Concerned Fauquier citizens and compatriots can find the petitions at the following locations through 12 NOON 6 December to sign:
TOWN OF WARRENTON and FAUQUIER COUNTY CITIZENS: High Flyer Arms (5th Street)
FAUQUIER COUNTY CITIZENS ONLY: Catlett Service Center (closed weekends); Calverton Southern States (M-F 8-5, SAT 8-1)
PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY CITIZENS ONLY: Trojan Arms and Tactical
Fellow citizens and compatriots, we must take decisive action NOW to safeguard and protect our most cherished constitutional rights. Our U.S. and Virginia Constitutions cannot defend themselves- WE THE PEOPLE MUST DEFEND THEM. Our legal Fauquier Citizens ARE the Fauquier Government. Now is the time to act against the unconstitutional tyranny that has been already been telegraphed ahead from Richmond to occur in January, 2020 against our most sacred, God-given rights enshrined in those founding documents bequeathed to us, and as sacrificed for, by our Virginia forebears. Do not sit out this fight- stand with your fellow law-abiding citizens and compatriots to end these unconstitutional acts before they land on your front doorsteps, and to direct our County Board to enact the Fauquier County 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Ordinance in joining the many other Virginia counties which have already done so. Lest we forget our Virginia State Motto: SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS (“Thus Ever to Tyrants”).
Yours in liberty and Thanksgiving Blessings to all, JA
DonkeyFarmer · November 27, 2019 at 7:33 pm
*Deprivation. *Blacksburg. For the spelling Nazis.
DonkeyFarmer · November 27, 2019 at 7:20 pm
LUA and TILII- with all due respect, we are all on the same side, just have a different opinion on how to get there.
Nobody is going to be turning in any guns. Even in California it was ruled unconstitutional and a deprovation of property. They slowly but surely eroded rights where now you have to register your AR15. You have to get a background check to buy ammo. They banned the sale but could not ban the possession of magazines. Looking back on it, I wish the Democrats would have just passed the AR15 ban straight away, they would have been voted out of office. If they try that here, they will be gone. All the Democrats in the suburbs of Richmond, D.C. and especially Blackburg will be gone.
Instead of doing something that will have no effect and maybe even compromise our county funding, work on getting the Democrats out. Start right here. Elizabeth Guzman is about as bad as they get. Anti-gun. Anti-life. She believes in killing a baby up until birth. D.J. did not lose by much. Start here. If every gun owner voted there would not be one Democrat in office.
At the same time, take heart in the fact that in reality they are not going to get any crazy gun laws passed. Democrats own guns too. Maybe background checks for inter family transfers that will do nothing but make dads pay money to leave their guns to their kids, but it makes Democrats feel good. Maybe bump stock bans, who cares, you shouldn't be using one unless you like to waste ammo. Magazine bans, they can't ban possession so just stock up while it sits in court.
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Jimbo, You imply and or profess the courts and the rule of law to be "right" ys until one post. And when they are "right" and "just" I agree. Then you turn around and agree they can be bought in your now famous half spin "middle of the road" responses. Why didn't you just agree with me the first time? Thank you.
Who's talking about acting like a "mob"? Why would you bring that in for the second time? Did I not say contact you supervisor and attend the meeting to show support? All of the meetings statewide have been respectful as far as I am aware, so where did I or anyone else say or imply showing up as a "mob" to such a meeting?
You accusing me of simply inciting such a thing as "mob" when I simply believe differently than you on the 2A Sanctuary matter, I believe could cause me to be "red flagged" if we had such laws which is exactly why such Red Flag Laws are so dangerous. I never said anything about a "mob". There is nothing wrong with the real pro 2A people of this community that are not in the "middle, and of course excludes you and a coupe others, peacefully contacting or discussing such in small or large numbers with their county board members.
I never said an election was "stolen". Your statement about "and no the elections -- none of them -- were stolen", when it's extremely publicized in our face that $2.5 million from Bloomberg bought this election.
When a media giant can buy enough political influence, this VA election specifically, when they should be bias, just proves there are no ethics in his media offerings that should portray all views equally, I have a problem with and that should be investigated. But I don't suppose you see a problem with that.
Read SB16! Once those that chose to keep their legally purchased personal property are arrested and become felons, then we loose them all and can no longer vote. Your lofty education likely did not allow you to see that common sense coming.
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm
DF good point. First though we need to get the GOP and Republican parties in this state to get on the same page! They apparently at not. I have only run into this lately but may not be able to elaborate much.
Jimbo has too much education and it seems to cloud some common sense.
I too have invited a few Anti2A/Dem/Liberals to shoot. No takers as of yet. I think they are afraid they will like it and be wrong. And of if you talk to any of them, they simply refuse to hear and rationalize the other side that has credible data against the party line.
DonkeyFarmer · November 27, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Like I said before, I am an AR15 owning, NRA member, California refugee that left in large part because of the relentless attacks on the 2A. But I think some here have got the wrong approach. There is really nothing the County can do in regards to gun laws passed in Richmond. What exactly do you expect from the County? Allow gun stores to sell bump-stocks or high capacity magazines? They don't regulate gun sales. Only thing I think of is if gun consfication is ordered, the Sheriff would issue orders to the deputies. That is never going to happen.
Wouldn't a more effective approach be a resolution that this County is against any infringment on our 2A rights no matter if some democrats believe them to be common sense.
All of this outrage at the Democrats should have been focused a few weeks ago during the election. And if they pass any crazy anti-gun laws they will be tied up in court long enough to vote them out next election. Focus on getting them out. Only need to flip 5 seats.
And BTW- it looks to me that Jim is on the 2A side, he just has a different approach. No need to attack. We need everyone we can get. Yeah, he plays the middle on a lot of issues but don't you think that is also the type of person that might influence some guy that is scared of guns to give this position a chance? I'd be willing to let any scared democrat come to my farm and shoot some targets with an AR15 and educate them. I have found most are just scared of the gun with no real justification. We should all make some effort like that.
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 4:59 pm
People, call and email your supervisors to get this matter at the fore front of the next public board meeting Dec. 12, 2019 6:30pm at the Warren Green Building in town!
farmbum · November 27, 2019 at 4:37 pm
The victim and fear mentality is strong with some in Fauquier.
Again, this sanctuary movement has no law enforcement behind it.
My rights to gun ownership are in the Constitution. Of the United States of America. Not defined in some or by some local county seat.
Jim Griffin · November 27, 2019 at 3:08 pm
LUA: Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you just make it up out of whole cloth to be insulting? "One fundamental right about which you care the least?"
I actually exercise my Second Amendment rights on a regular basis. Have taught our son the same. Can't say that for most of the rights enumerated in the constitution.
I support the Second Amendment. In fact, I have expressed strong agreement with Justice Scalia's majority opinion in Heller, which makes clear not all regulation is a Second Amendment infringement.
Speaking of which: I ask again, why is this energy not focused on paring back Fauquier County law addressing the use of firearms. Are these infringements? Why or why not, and how do they differ in nature from that which you fear will come from Richmond?
You write that "the incoming party intends to punish the opposition by destroying a sacred cow. ... It's undeniable."
Really? Which proposal does that? Destroys the sacred cow? Undeniably?
I'm eager to learn. The Second Amendment is important to me. I own firearms of all types and use them regularly. What will "destroy" this right soon? And how does this differ from local laws you ignore, which include prohibitions on using firearms in certain places and certain times?
farmbum · November 27, 2019 at 12:36 pm
If buying elections is your choke point then may I suggest election reform be your cause. In the interim, perhaps focusing on enforcement of laws within the Republic be of concern. If one professes to be a defender of rights, well start defending the Constitution through the legislative and judicial processes.
Jim Griffin · November 27, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Tell it: Where did I write the courts can't be bought? Of course they can be bought, and bought they are, but that's a constant regardless of political view, geography or century.
Does not lead me to declare their judgment invalid. Even baseball's been bought in the past, but I continue to enjoy the game, especially when the Nats win the World Series. Courts are the alternative to violence. They are civil. It beats chance or force.
Yes, law enforcement has been discovered to make mistakes, sometimes corrupt. Does this diminish my support for law enforcement? Same in the military, or other govt officials. Hey, bad stuff happens. Nonetheless, I support law enforcement, military, govt officials.
Everyone is flawed. Still, I love them all, and every single day. This is a great community. Except when on occasion it descends in this small-minded fashion to act like a mob against the rule of law.
Most of all, it reads like Democrats' reaction to HRC's loss, disbelief and defiance before Republicans (who won all three branches of govt and how have named a pair of conservative justices to the court) had even acted. What did the world hear? Get over it, you lost the election! Which was true.
Same thing in Virginia: Get over it! Dems control the Commonwealth's legislature and Governorship, and will soon redraw electoral districts. Why? Reps lost the elections. Simple as that, and no the elections -- none of them -- were stolen, staffed as they are by the finest of public servants donating their time for justice.
The bark is always worse than the bite, and that's all this so-called sanctuary stuff is about: Bark, bark, bark. It has no legal effect. Virginia and Fauquier law enforcement will enforce laws passed. This is all about rallying troops after the defeat. It has no place before the Board of Supervisors, which has lots more important business than sloganeering.
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 11:33 am
Another person that thinks the "rule of law" can't be bought like the last state election. Ok whatever.
farmbum · November 27, 2019 at 11:24 am
These sanctuary activities follow neither the Constitution nor the rule of law. If you support these measures you do not support enforcement of current laws nor do you understand the Constitution.
These sanctuary activities do not carry a force of law. It's that simple. We burden our Supervisors based on emotional responses to what some consider infringement.
FairandBalanced · November 27, 2019 at 11:08 am
Pay for NRA executives surges as gun rights group cuts key program funds. WAPO. 11/27/2019
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 10:28 am
Jimbo, nice middle of the road position from you as usual, LOL. I'm still lost that you believe the courts can't be bought. I do respect your education level, although at bit naive if you honestly believe pro 2A folks are going to get a fair shake on this ride. And what about all the Dems that said "We are not going to take your guns." That should include the magazine it came with and all other components that are legally purchased personal property. They obviously proving to be less than truthful.
Perhaps at least we can agree on the 2A. I'm sure we would disagree on it's real meaning though. Nice chatting with again.
Tell It Like It Is · November 27, 2019 at 6:56 am
Pro 2A supporters need to pack the next board meeting!!
Dec. 12, 2019
Warren Greene Building
10 Hotel Street
In the mean time contact your supervisors!!
Jim Griffin · November 26, 2019 at 4:26 pm
I wrote no such thing, nor did I use the word stupid in any way, shape or form. Please do not use my real name as proxy for your pseudonymous words, but it is good to know nameless people will uncloak to show their faces at a government meeting where photographers and video will be present. The light of day is a fine disinfectant.
I support the Second Amendment and own guns. I don't want these rights infringed, but neither do I presume proposals not passed do or will do so. I do not think it wise to advance a constitutional cause without respect for the rule of law. Indeed, I think the First Amendment the best path to advocate the Second Amendment. Why do you think the founders ordered them that way?
In particular, I find offensive so-called Jeffersonian American's ironic rejection of democracy in favor of guns: "rights are off-limits to any mere elected official or elected legislative body." Do you agree with that? And if you think that, why ask the supervisors for action? After all, they are "mere elected officials" in the words of JA.
A good professor taught me there are basically three ways to settle a dispute: Force, chance and persuasion. I prefer persuasion, reject force and think chance inappropriate to this issue. The real Jefferson favored democracy and persuasion over guns and refused to mix religion and politics, thinking us all entitled to our own God.
Any infringement will be struck down in the courts. If infringement occurs, the courts are the best remedy in a civil society alongside a strong sheriff to carry out their orders.
Tell It Like It Is · November 26, 2019 at 2:01 pm
So Jim, you are basically saying that all the other VA county board members that have and will be acting on a pro 2AS are stupid. Got it. And you probably think the "rule of law" can't be bought as well. Wrong. Elections can be bought. Politicians can be bought. It's all on the shelf like a grocery store to the ones that can afford it. Look at Bloomberg's 2.5m and however much Soros spent as well to turn Richmond blue. Notice I distinctly stated turn "Richmond" blue .... not "VA".
The left's manufactured "gun violence" label and twisted stats when the hard facts of "violent crime" and "homicide" by "firearm type" in VA as well as the US as a whole, the real actual numbers of use weapons in violent crime, do not even come close to being rational for the firearms types the left is attacking. The anti-left, liberal, Democrats refuse to discuss these hard facts. Why? Because it makes their gun control argument simply defy all rational and common sense. Sometimes you have to make a stand for what you believe in as respectfully as possible and some things just can't wait. This may be one of those things for many.
Linda Ward · November 26, 2019 at 9:40 am
I find it rather ironic that people are discussing following the rule of law, when at the same time the people at the top of the government food chain are blatantly disregarding the rule of law, and feel they are above it.
Jim Griffin · November 26, 2019 at 7:17 am
Our county board is smarter than to take a turn towards lawlessness and mob rule, but in the unlikely event that this should occur make preparation as should anyone ignoring the law: Budget money for lawyers and fines. Ignoring the sheriff and Virginia State Police has a high financial price tag.
Which initiatives are you willing to cut? Or do you prefer raising taxes again?
Forget the idea of Webert delivering a reallocation of state school aid. Why should the Commonwealth legislature help Fauquier if it stands in defiance of the legislature?
Support the constitution and all its rights. Support the rule of law. Just say no to the angry mob. Our community is better than this.
Tell It Like It Is · November 26, 2019 at 6:59 am
Pack the Board of Supervisors meeting to approve a 2A Sanctuary!!
Dec 12, 2019
10 Hotel Street, Warrenton, VA !!
Tell It Like It Is · November 26, 2019 at 6:54 am
Pack the Board of Supervisors meeting to approve a 2A Sanctuary!!
Dec 12, 2019
10 Hotel Street, Warrenton, VA !!
Jim Griffin · November 26, 2019 at 6:54 am
The irony and hypocrisy: A person who declares themselves a "law-abiding Virginian" decries following the law and the sheriff, declaring respect for the rule of law "unthinkable and very dangerous- it is preposterous."
I'm sticking with Sheriff Mosier and will follow his lead, even if that makes me a "Sheeple." Respect for the rule of law is the line between community and anarchy.
Jeffersonian American · November 26, 2019 at 4:44 am
It is truly horrifying to watch those who think law-abiding Virginians should follow- like lambs to the slaughter- any tyrannical laws imposed by a Radical Left Governor or Radical Left Legislature that clearly usurp our most sacred rights under our U.S. and Virginia state constitutions and Virginia Declaration of Rights- rights endowed by our Creator, and not granted by some king, dictator or tyrant. Unfortunately, there are apparently far too many Virginians today who still fail to understand such rights are off-limits to any mere elected official or elected legislative body: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Note among the very first pieces of Democrat legislation for Virginia in January will be H.B. 2, Restrictions on firearm purchases by law abiding citizens. This legislation is intended to further incrementally diminish- and eventually render meaningless- our most cherished Second Amendment rights. Clearly, this is the Radical Democrat Regime's first bill to significantly infringe upon our most sacred rights of law-abiding Virginia citizens to arm and protect themselves, their homes and their other property.
According to trusted sources, the Democrats may have turned Virginia blue, but the local media have reported little concerning the legislative agenda they will put forth in January 2020. Victoria Cobb, president of the Virginia Family Foundation, is hot on the case. Her November 18 email newsletter listed their first five bills:
H.J. 1 - Passage of the so-called "Equal Rights Amendment"
H.B. 1 - Absentee voting for any reason in any election
H.B. 2 - Restrictions on firearm purchases by law-abiding citizens
H.B. 3 - Enshrining "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" as specially protected classes in housing laws
H.B. 4 - Legalizing full-scale casino gaming across Virginia
(Note that a state version of the Green New Deal was unnecessary because Governor Ralph Northam already implemented one by Executive Order 43 this past September 16th)
Read more of the implications for Virginia and our nation here:
Jeffersonian American · November 26, 2019 at 4:41 am
Quite clearly, following the full surrender of our most sacred rights as being advocated by some of the "Sheeple" bleating in this "Comments" section is not only unthinkable and very dangerous- it is preposterous. To those who blindly wish to allow and follow a tyrannical regime, soon to grasp their corrupt and vile power gained with massive election fraud and with an iron fist next January across our Virginia government- attempting to legislate away our most sacred rights enshrined in our U.S. Constitution, our Virginia Constitution, and our Virginia Declaration of Rights, the wisdom of Massachusetts Patriot Samuel Adams, still rings true in our current time across the centuries:
"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation - enlightened as it is - if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men."
"The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."
"It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice. For they cannot live in any country where virtue and knowledge prevail. The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interests are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together. For this reason, it is always observable, that those who are combin'd to destroy the people's liberties, practice every art to poison their morals."
"In a state of tranquility, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny."
"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks."
"A true patriot would keep the attention of his fellow citizens awake to their grievances, and not allow them to rest till the causes of their just complaints are removed."
And his most important message, still relevant now more than ever:
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom - go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"
Jim Griffin · November 25, 2019 at 9:04 am
Agreed we should defend the Second Amendment and all of the constitution and its various amendments, which mean pursuing disagreements through the courts and not engaging in self-help or defiance. Exercising the First Amendment is a good way to defend the Second. I recommend reading Heller because it dispels that mistaken belief that any regulation at all infringes the Second Amendment.
Here's what I found online as regards these efforts on a Virginia conservative website: "In response to the Democrat’s take over (sic) in Richmond, counties across Virginia are voting to declare themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuary enclaves. This means new gun laws will be ignored, police will not enforce whatever laws Richmond passes violating 2nd Amendment rights."
Ignoring laws and instructing police not to enforce them is a mistaken strategy. The course you outlined is different and earns my wholehearted support -- again, so long as it doesn't involve our county defying the law or its enforcement.
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