January 9, 2020 · OPINION
“All-out attack on our Judeo-Christian values”
By John Green
Year 2019 is on the way out and 2020 is at the door. No predictions from me but some observations.
The economy is strong. Unemployment is down, jobs are up. And there are no major conflicts. What could go wrong? Well, like it or not, American society is in a flux. If you just awoke from a 20-year nap, you would not know where you were. How will all these changes affect us?
Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame in October. His insights should be of interest to all of us. He said, “From the Founding Era onward there was a strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.” And our view of human nature (man is fallible) “was drawn from the classic Christian tradition.” Our moral system is based upon Judeo-Christian values.
At the same time, our Constitution gives Americans great individual freedoms. The Constitution protects individual liberties but has little ability to control “the unbridled pursuits of personal appetites at the expense of the common good.” The recognition of the common good above individual desires is necessary for a healthy society. It is also necessary for a successful economic system. Capitalism does not work without a people with a value system.
Today we face an all-out attack on our Judeo-Christian values. The progressives want to wipe them out and replace them with secularism and moral relativism. They claim our moral values violate the Constitution. They say we have freedom FROM religion rather than freedom OF religion. They claim moral relativism where everybody makes their own moral values. They deny any higher power or authority than man. They deny God. We end up where “…everyone did as he saw fit.” Judges 21:25.
Attorney General Barr does not see Judeo-Christian values fading away. He sees them as targeted for “organized destruction.” Our own laws are being used against Christian values. If a man decides he is a woman, you must accept the person as a woman or be guilty of discrimination. If a female student named Roberta decides she is a boy and demands everyone call her Robert, you have to do it. If the teacher doesn’t comply, he or she may be fired. Since the beginning of time marriage has been between a man and a woman. No more, thanks to our Supreme Court. “Marriage” is now between any individual and any thing. After all the Constitution does not mention marriage.
The Constitution controls our form of government. How we live within that government is decided by the values we live by. In the case of United States, they are Judeo-Christian values. Using these values and our Constitution made America the world’s most successful nation. Do we really want to reject our Judeo-Christian values and our Constitution?
What now? Do we disregard all that has made America great? The progressives would have you believe freedom is the most important thing. You are free to do whatever you want. There are no restrictions but what you set for yourself. Total freedom may sound great, but as we are seeing right now, it leads to chaos. Freedom is not free. There is a price to be paid for everything. There is a God and we are all responsible to Him. We have the Constitution. We need to return to our Judeo-Christian values.
Values do matter.
Hope you had a Merry Christmas celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. Let’s work to renew America in the New Year. It’s every citizens job.
Mark House · January 15, 2020 at 6:17 pm
According to the calendar in effect during the time when Jesus of Nazareth was born, and when taxes were collected in the area. "
There are two calendars during the time of Jesus’ birth: the Jewish calendar and the Roman calendar. FYI is a summary of the Roman calendar in which Rome adjusted their lunar calendar to fit more the seasonal calendar.
“The 304-day Roman calendar didn’t work for long because it didn’t align with the seasons. King Numa Pompilius reformed the calendar around 700 BCE by adding the months of January (Ianuarius) and February (Februarius) to the original 10 months, which increased the year's length to 354 or 355 days.
The addition of January and February meant that some of the months' names no longer agreed with their position in the calendar (September - December). The month Quintilis was renamed July in honor of Julius Caesar in 44 BCE and Sextilis was renamed August in honor of Augustus in 8 BCE.”
The Jewish people followed the Jewish calendar as they celebrated their annual feasts that was prescribed by God. Thus Jews would date a birth of their child on the Jewish calendar with their Jewish day of the month and month. As Joseph had to register himself along with his wife Mary to his birthplace in Bethlehem, the census was most likely taken on a Roman calendar since it was ordered by Rome (Luke 2:1–7).
It is unlikely that Jesus was born on the month of December or on the date of 25th. The angels declared that on this day, which means that they knew the month and day as well as the shepherds, the parents of Jesus, and towns people of Bethlehem. Today, Christians celebrate the birth of God’s Son, Jesus Christ because of God’s gift of the Redeemer of mankind. It’s not about the month or day of the birth but Jesus himself.
Thus the question is does it matter what month or day that Jesus was born? Yes and No. God fulfilled his promise of sending a Redeemer and that was fulfilled at his birth. Today we do not know what month or day but we know that he was born approximately the years due to the dating of the death of King Herod, the dates of Caesar Augustus, Pilate, Herod, and Quirinius.
Summary: For the Joseph and Mary, Jesus was born on a Jewish calendar but for the Romans, he was born on the Roman calendar"
Mark House · January 15, 2020 at 6:11 pm
AG Barr should be disbarred for acting like the POTUS' personal attorney not the People's. His association with Epstein who worked for his father, and then the death of Epstein in jail, should be questioned. Stinks to high heaven (where Barr hopes to go some day).
Sonny Day · January 13, 2020 at 11:03 am
Washington Post- wow, you truly are an embarrassment to your newspaper. You don't even know the rules of the English language, and are using them to defer and detract from the real issues. You have proven why so many people no longer believe in the press. I am also going to make sure everyone knows that the Washington Post is identifying someone speaking in favor of Christianity as a hate speaker.
I have always thought highly of your newspaper, but you have shown that the new Washington Post is not worth the time or money.
Post Washington · January 12, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Virtus! Green is a hate speaker.
Post Washington · January 12, 2020 at 10:43 pm
SD (aka DonkeyFarter). 'We are so lucky and priveledged to live in a free, constitutional republic. If you want to believe in something you can; and if you don't want to believe in anything, you don't have to.'
First. don't end a sentence with a preposition. Bad grammar. Second, voting is like brain surgery. You better know what you're doing. Your 'something/anything' comment is stupid.
Its heuristic relative to naive diversification.
Virtus · January 12, 2020 at 6:32 pm
Virtus · January 12, 2020 at 6:15 pm
Jim Griffin · January 12, 2020 at 1:35 pm
For those without an account, key passage from the link:
"During the bill’s debate, some legislators wanted to insert the term “Jesus Christ,” which was rejected. Writing in 1821, Jefferson reflected that “singular proposition proved that [the bill’s] protection of opinion was meant to be universal.”
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read, “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan [Muslim], the Hindoo [Hindu], and Infidel of every denomination.”
Jefferson’s opinions on religious liberty were heavily influenced by John Locke, as noted by James H. Hutson, writing in 2002 as chief of the Library of Congress’s Manuscript Division:
In his seminal Letter on Toleration (1689), John Locke insisted that Muslims and all others who believed in God be tolerated in England. Campaigning for religious freedom in Virginia, Jefferson followed Locke, his idol, in demanding recognition of the religious rights of the “Mahamdan,” the Jew and the “pagan.” Supporting Jefferson was his old ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. “True freedom,” Lee asserted, “embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.”
Jim Griffin · January 12, 2020 at 1:28 pm
Sonny Day · January 12, 2020 at 12:58 pm
Washington Post: your editors must be so proud of your high quality writings. I always respected the Post for their well written articles. It becomes clearer why their reader membership is declining with new writers like you.
Mr. Green- May God bless you!
We are so lucky and priveledged to live in a free, constitutional republic. If you want to believe in something you can; and if you don't want to believe in anything, you don't have to.
Unfortunately the new Democratic party has made it clear Muslim is their religion of choice. The fact the Clinton Foundation accepted millions of dollars from Muslims trying to institute Sharia Law here is only the tip of the hidden iceberg. Unfortunately when they are ultimately successful: if you don't bow down to Allah you will be marched down Main St. while being beaten and stoned. If you survive the walk you will be hung, with your body left to rot and remind everyone of the downside of choosing not to believe.
The far right-wing was shot down years ago for a good reason. Now it is time to shut down these far-lefters and keep this country as a free constitutional republic, before it is too late.
Post Washington · January 11, 2020 at 9:35 pm
Jimmy boy. Yer too high falutin. History has no commerce with these righteous conservative funny bunnies. they believe in noah's ark. they think the earth is only millions of years old. hell, some believe it is flat. you can't get half of them to get a vaccination. of any kind! save your history. put your boot on their throat. no more empathy for these clowns.
Jim Griffin · January 11, 2020 at 8:29 pm
Disagreement, yes, but more important: Refuting misrepresentation of history.
In fact, Patrick Henry proposed to substitute Christian values for the open-ended religious freedom preferred by Jefferson and Madison. Henry lost the vote.
Jefferson considered this so very important that he put it on his tombstone. Henry's failed proposal in Virginia came to define the US Constitution.
As Jefferson and Madison observed at the time, if govt could be Judeo-Christian in orientation, it could also become anti-Judeo-Christian. Neither is appropriate.
False claims of Judeo-Christian orientation are a grotesque distortion of how we got here and contrary to the public record of the Commonwealth of Virginia and the United States of America. And that's a good thing, even for Christians.
Post Washington · January 11, 2020 at 7:38 pm
Virtus, by being a naysayer. simple. i disagree with greens proposition. and, i want people to know i disagree and WHY!
Post Washington · January 11, 2020 at 7:33 pm
Hey Green. From your own sources. This is a pretty pathetic outcome since your trump got elected. close to home.
“Total jobs added” in Fauquier since 2014, according to a Department of Economic Development report to the board of supervisors Thursday.
The department estimates $4 million in new business taxes paid in the last five years.
Virtus · January 11, 2020 at 4:37 am
Post Washington · January 10, 2020 at 8:27 pm
Green! What does Trump and Iran have in common? They believe god is on their side.
Post Washington · January 10, 2020 at 8:14 pm
this writer opened up the conversation with 'an all good' declaration. here's the real world: kids can't get jobs except in fast food joints. the rich are getting richer and the recently changed tax laws are good for them. we are in the middle of an impeachment! we have just impeached the president, dudes! we. the people's house has impeached the president. we are fighting and KILLING on many fronts-middle east, africa, ukraine. the economy is slowing down (it has to after 10 years!). farmers are losing their farms. by god, we are giving awards to farms that have survived 200 years in this very county. what does that tell you about special? we don't know if our 2020 elections are going to be fair? what happens if trump loses by 66,000 votes? guns are up everybody's you know what.
this guy who wrote this commentary? he opened Pandora's box.
Virtus · January 10, 2020 at 8:09 pm
Thank you Mr Green for continuing to express your religious values.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:16 KJV
Constitutional Insurgent · January 10, 2020 at 3:50 pm
DF - The media didn’t give Obama’s drone strikes much airtime, because (as I stated) they were under the auspices of the AUMF. Also why there was no real need to inform Congress beforehand......even though he did so prior to the OBL raid.
The leader of the IRGC does not fall under the umbrella of the existing AUMF, in my reading of it anyway.
With all of the time I’ve spent (and still spend) in Iraq.......nobody is more pleased about Soleimani’s demise than I. But there’s no need to make it a political issue.
Jim Griffin · January 10, 2020 at 2:09 pm
Actually, to be clear, Trump killed (DF: "Thou shall not kill") a senior official from a nation state, not a terrorist. I have a great deal of respect for Jim Webb, ex-Virginia Senator and Sec of the Navy. He wrote an opinion piece in today's WaPo:
"Definitions define conduct. If terrorist organizations are actively involved against us, we attack them. But a terrorist organization is by definition a non-governmental entity that operates along the creases of national sovereignties and international law. The Revolutionary Guards are a part of the Iranian government. If they are attacking us, they are not a terrorist organization. They’re an attacking army."
"How did it become acceptable to assassinate one of the top military officers of a country with whom we are not formally at war during a public visit to a third country that had no opposition to his presence? And what precedent has this assassination established on the acceptable conduct of nation-states toward military leaders of countries with which we might have strong disagreement short of actual war — or for their future actions toward our own people?"
DonkeyFarmer · January 10, 2020 at 1:07 pm
CI- I have no problem with what Obama did. My point was the media were not concerned with it and now that Trump killed a terrorist they are attacking him.
DonkeyFarmer · January 10, 2020 at 1:05 pm
Demo - Thou shall not kill. You forgetting that one?
Demosthenes · January 10, 2020 at 9:20 am
DF. Yesterday you asked me "Demo- what is your position on abortion if you are so worried about the gospels?"
I have simply been reminding you that the Gospels don't discuss abortion.
And whether it applies to you directly or not, I am calling out the religious right for supporting laws and leadership that defy the teachings that they claim to follow.
DonkeyFarmer · January 10, 2020 at 7:31 am
Demo - Are you actually trying to argue Jesus believed in abortion? Or at least condoned it? You are actually trying to argue Jesus Christ was in favor of abortion? You liberals are really sick. Deluded sick people.
I don't want any religion in our government. Never said I did. You are the one bringing up religion to justify illegal immigration and abortion. I am calling out your hypocrisy.
Constitutional Insurgent · January 10, 2020 at 7:12 am
DF - Obama [like W] was operating under the Congressionally approved auspices of the AUMF.
Demosthenes · January 10, 2020 at 6:27 am
Dude, stop ignoring basic facts. Or do a google search, as you recommended to me. The Roman world did in fact have widespread abortion. It was done with herbal remedies, or occasionally by a mid-wife.
Yet, as I said, Jesus does not bother to say a single thing about abortion.
The big point here, which you are probably having a problem digesting, is that the religious right (including J. Green) say that they want Christian values in our government, yet they continue to be ignorant of what Christ actually taught. And when we look at policies that their party (republicans) passes, we see things that go very much against the core of Jesus's teachings. Consider republican policies for the poor, or laws they pass to prevent people from seeking asylum here.
Jesus loved calling out hypocrites. If he were here now I think he would have an earful for the religious right and the republican party.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 11:06 pm
War? When was the last time congress declared war? How many people did Obama drone kill without any congressional approval? Anwar al-awlaki. He was an American citizen. Obama killed him with no due process. I don't care because he was a terrorist scumbag but where was the media? Double standard.
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 10:45 pm
Agreed you said nothing different -- that was simply me drawing the convo back to the title of this opinion piece.
The freedom is the media's (1A) and not the President's. They can say whatever they want. The Executive Branch is subject to all manner of second guessing, like all the branches.
As many Republicans have noted, Congress makes war. They are entitled to advance notice, consultation and more. Those who suggest POTUS has sole authority on these matters run afoul of the US Constitution.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:43 pm
This is just from google:
Be located outside of the U.S.
be of specific humanitarian apprehension for the U.S.[clarification needed]
be able to validate previous persecution or feared approaching persecution based on the individual's race, religion, nationality, social class, or political outlook
not be currently settled in another country
be admissible to the U.S.
Nothing about wanting a job, or a better paying job. Not that I blame them, I'd be doing the same for my family, but they are breaking the law and are not entitled to asylum.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:39 pm
Jim- yes the democrats won in richmond. They are entitled to pass their laws, I have never said anything different. Donald Trump should be able to run the executive branch with the same freedom the media gave Obama, right? How many terrorists did Obama drone kill? Ever heard of the disposition matrix? That's where I have a problem.
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 10:38 pm
"Jim- Why are they not declaring themselves refugees when they arrive in Mexico as the law requires?"
Thus my polite refutation. We are in agreement that it is White House policy.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:30 pm
Demo- Jesus did not lecture about abortion because it did not exist 2,000 years ago? Maybe with a few crazy people with sticks but there were no planned parenthood baby killing factories back then. I'm sure he was against killing children though.
Demosthenes · January 9, 2020 at 10:22 pm
Donkeyfarmer - Make a mockery of his teachings if you want.
The truth is that while churches have plenty to say about abortion, Jesus did not.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:21 pm
Jim - I never said it was law. The stay in mexico policy was negotiated by president Trump as a way to slow the immigrants using our amnesty laws as a way to enter the country.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:18 pm
Demo- Sorry you are right. Jesus believed strongly in abortion. He donated to Planned Parenthood.
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 10:16 pm
Apply from Mexico is neither law nor international convention. It is policy set by the White House.
"But the problem is that Mexico can be just as dangerous as the countries they are fleeing. Furthermore, the US’s strategy is legally problematic: Neither US law nor international commitments require Central Americans to apply for asylum in Mexico."
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:13 pm
Jim- are you talking about the "stay in Mexico" policy?
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 10:11 pm
Don't think I called him racist. Let me check with a quick review! I didn't.
I endeavor not to think anyone else's motives are less noble to them than my own are to me. In this case, I think it clear I simply disagree with him.
Likewise, BTW, the recent Blue surge in Richmond. Democrats won. Are they not entitled to pass laws setting our policies without declaring them God-less or communists?
Or without declaring our nation increasingly devoid of the Judeo-Christian values that founded it -- NOT. Patrick Henry tried, introduced an amendment to do just that and was defeated by Jefferson and Madison. Jefferson was so proud he wanted it on his tombstones.
As for DJT and immigration, we are a nation of laws, not rulers. Congress has the power to make war and immigration policy by passing laws.
As for those refugees applying in Mexico, they are: "President Trump complains of the sharp rise in applications for asylum in the United States, which more than tripled in seven years to 254,000 in 2018 ... But asylum petitions in Mexico shot up more than 3,500 percent over the same period. They could nearly triple this year alone, to around 80,000."
I disagree with much that comes from the White House, but we are all entitled to our own opinions on the reasons -- or lack thereof -- behind the decision-making.
Demosthenes · January 9, 2020 at 10:11 pm
Donkeyfarmer - Jesus lived in the Roman Empire, which was a society that practiced abortion on a regular basis. Despite living in that environment, Jesus was amazingly silent on the issue. Find me a passage anywhere in the Gospels in which Jesus addresses it.
Having no directions from Jesus on issues of abortion, perhaps we should focus on what he does speak about - helping the poor, the sick, and the disadvantaged.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:06 pm
Demo- what is your position on abortion if you are so worried about the gospels?
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 10:02 pm
Jim- In your last 4 posts you have ended with an attack on President Trump. He won. Is he not entitled to set immigration policy without being called a racist?
Demosthenes · January 9, 2020 at 9:59 pm
Donkeyfarmer - Clearly it is easier to address whether or not I am googling terms like economic refugee (a misnomer, really, since they are economic migrants) rather than address the argument I make that policies coming from the religious right are not in line with the teachings in the Gospels.
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 9:55 pm
BTW, it's not the law. (Since when does immigration lead to laws passed?) It's an administration policy based on an agreement with Mexico from which Mexico backs away.
Lots of pre-election critics decried Executive Orders and rule-making from the Oval office, but now it's par for the course, so to speak, akin to criticizing Obama for playing golf while pledging not to do the same.
What did DJT promise? "At a rally on Aug. 8, 2016, Trump assured the audience that, “because I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.” He added a “believe me,” to make the point."
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 9:33 pm
Jim- That's a good middle of the road position.
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 9:29 pm
I'd be surprised if many thinking people feel safe in Mexico, least of all those fleeing persecution of any kind -- especially so persecution *in* Mexico, such as from drug cartels.
I'm not even sure they know the law, and I think this only applies to Central American refugees, this apply in Mexico rule. Do we require people to stay in Canada if attempting to cross our Northern border?
Bottom-line: No one I know on any side of the political spectrum is happy with immigration law. It is need of revamping, no defense regardless of how you look at it. The system is in shambles.
At one point, Trump was in the White House with control of both houses of Congress. Nonetheless, no change in immigration law -- nor Obamacare shutdown. A pox on all their houses.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 9:21 pm
Jim- Why are they not declaring themselves refugees when they arrive in Mexico as the law requires?
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 9:14 pm
I absolutely agree it should be addressed legally, but I ask you how to legally address those who arrive and declare themselves refugees.
Isn't this legal? To arrive and seek refuge? Is there another way to flee perceived persecution?
Those who sneak in or overstay their visa do so at their own risk, which should be shared with those who hire them to toil on their behalf. Greed is a powerful incentive.
By this measure, Trump's enterprises are by all accounts guilty of purposefully employing illegal immigrants not of the refugee kind. There are many drawn and maintained by a paucity of Americans willing to perform what can be back-breaking work.
DonkeyFarmer · January 9, 2020 at 9:03 pm
Demo- You say you don't know what an economic refugee is.. why not Google it rather than announce your ignorance here?
Jim- I am a child of immigrants. Most of my friends are immigrants or children of immigrants. Some of the best hard working patriots I know are immigrants. I just believe it should be done legally.
And I don't engage with the person that goes by washimgton post. He/she is simply a partisan hack that promotes todays Democrat talking points and has no interest in any other points of view
Post Washington · January 9, 2020 at 8:42 pm
DonkeyFarter knows how you vote! How many, DonkeyFarter, refuges or illegal aliens are in our country or are standing at our door RIGHT NOW! In a country of 360 MILLION people how significant are they to your poor ass well being?
Jim Griffin · January 9, 2020 at 8:30 pm
I did not vote for Clinton. Neither did I vote for Trump.
As for immigrants, I can only say "more," thinking of them as does Utah, which properly sees them as economic engines:
Not all are on par with, say, Steve Jobs in generating jobs, but all contribute to the economy in meaningful ways, their value far greater than the investment, much as do the school children we educate contribute to a better future.
In a very real way, our childrens' future depends upon them. The replacement rate of the US population is lagging absent our immigrant population. Fauquier's schools -- to cite a local example -- will soon show the dip and drop.
Nationally, "The U.S. fertility rate is now 16 percent below the rate — 2.100 — that experts say is needed for the country's population to replace itself over time without immigration."
I am a product of immigration as are so many I know. Good thing, that which brought our grandparents here: A desire for a better life drives a better world. I am dedicated to returning the favor.
Traditionally, we made citizens of immigrants willing to fight in our military. Why did Trump end that?
Here's another head-scratcher: Why do some refer to the God-given right to a gun? I struggle to locate the biblical reference. If anything, God gave swords and warned against using them, suggesting we trust in the Lord. Guns are the products of blacksmiths, our right to some of them is constitutional, but limited like all rights.
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