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September 23, 2020 · OPINION

Democracy threatened if truth no longer matters

By Matt Daly
Marshall

In response to a question about Donald Trump’s propensity to exaggerate his achievements, Jared Kushner is quoted in Bob Woodward’s recent book, Rage, as saying that “controversy elevates message.”

Buried in Mr. Kushner’s statement is an admission, that a material defense of the facts is not necessary; therefore, truth doesn’t matter. It’s a shocking but unsurprising reveal of an inherent belief by Mr. Kushner, and by extension the Trump administration, that truth really doesn’t matter.

I suppose these days we’ve become numb to political shock-and-awe, but this still was a shocking and cynical admission, considering it originated from a person in power. It’s not unusual for cynicism to find a home among those who are on the receiving end of the ills of modern society. After all, who could blame anyone for pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of a government that’s supposed to be “of the people, by the people, for the people” when with little effort, a case can be made that the government can’t fulfill its basic obligations, one of which is to protect its citizens from foreign and domestic threats; think Russian and Chinese election interference and coronavirus.

But back to Mr. Kushner’s admission, that truth doesn’t matter. It’s probably safe to assume that most Americans accept that truth, and all of its permutations, are both essential and fundamental to a functional democracy. Mr. Kushner’s and Mr. Trump’s beliefs put them at odds not just with American citizens, but with the tenets that underpin the very government that they purport to run.

By taking this position and failing to understand its reflexivity, the ever-aloof Mr. Kushner has unknowingly placed the government, vis-à-vis himself, into grave danger. We are already seeing this cancerous seed take root in the Republican party itself. Before Trump’s Monday rally in Ohio, Lt. Gov. Jon Husted (R) was booed by the crowd for imploring everyone to wear face coverings. Then when Gov. Mike DeWine (R) was introduced by President Trump, he was booed as well. Mike DeWine was/is one of Trump’s strongest allies, but that didn’t matter because many of those in attendance possibly didn’t know or care and/or they weren’t being told what they wanted to hear. Husted and DeWine were factually correct, yet Trump’s anti-mask, open-everything-now message won the day.

The Ohio episode (and there are many others) reveals the ease with which we all are amenable to the acceptance of this codification of malfeasance and the necessity of constant vigilance as a counter-measure. The founding fathers recognized this weakness in our system. Failure means the further degradation of the trust Americans have of, and therefore their participation in, our representative form of government, opening the door to more dictatorial-like players. The licensing of this philosophy by the Trump administration may ultimately contribute to its own, and the Republican party’s demise.

Or worse, our whole democratic system of government could be jeopardized. Their willingness to pedal this awful paradigm clearly demonstrates a manifest disdain for their own party and America.

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Mark House · October 23, 2020 at 7:53 pm
BiggerPicture - Rhetorical? More like idiotic and fishing questions.
Jeffersonian American · October 13, 2020 at 8:23 am
After all Patriot Americans of all races and socio-economic backgrounds have done their due diligence to vote to re-elect President Trump in a landslide, only the Harvesters and Post Office can beat Trump now.

Just look at this past weekend's overwhelming evidence:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/president-trump-roasts-china-joe-sanford-fl-rally-video/

China Joe Biden is in REAL TROUBLE - Look at the massive photographic and honest news journalism evidence presented here (simply too many actual news journalism photographs and news stories from recent days to list/link separately):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/
BiggerPicture · October 12, 2020 at 9:18 pm
I am a success, Mr. House. And I see by your post that you are too ignorant to recognize rhetorical questions. Good Lord. You people have no shame.
Mark House · October 12, 2020 at 8:10 pm
BigPix - "You're surrounded by experts, are you not? Why can't you become a success? Hmmm?"

You really need to stop asking and answering your own questions?
FairandBalanced · October 12, 2020 at 1:46 am
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BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 10:34 pm
I could only hope that you are an honorable man (or woman) and you keep your word. But I know you are not - you'll be back, with more insults and toxicity. You can't help yourself - you are filled with rage, and this seems to be your only outlet. While you consider my points to be outdated, you have yet to make a point. Any point. No one takes you seriously; most can't even understand what you are trying to convey because of your inability to write coherently. You need a lot of work. A lot of work. Surely your liberal friends - experts on everything - can give you a hand. Maybe Ms. Ward can even save your job, if you have one. Mr. Fields could help you become a military governor, after you become a general, of course. He knows all about that - now. Mr. Bentley, well, he knew Chancellor Hitler personally, being familiar with his personal habits and all, so he can fill you in on that subject matter. Ms. Rodgers, she's great at finding articles that are lock step with the liberal agenda, and then there's Karl Engels...he can find "accredited sources" for you to peruse. You're surrounded by experts, are you not? Why can't you become a success? Hmmm?
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 10:11 pm
i'm done with you. good bye.
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 10:09 pm
you're like that fish from china. with the big teeth. the northern snake head. you are a prick. and you're a neophyte. this channel will soon dispense with you. we've been arguing for months. all the points you bring up are outdated. you're late for the show. you are a 'has been', a conservative right wingnut who ain't got nothing but ridicule and invective and insult. that's all you fellas got. and, what's wrong with sources that fit the liberal agenda? i'm sure you've spent time at the National Archives. Why didn't you tell tale about your flirtatious event at the Library of Congress. I can give you the address. Unnamed sources?

Tweeters pounced on Trump’s post to remind him about his own alleged historic use of fake names (John Barron and John Miller) when talking to reporters.

Go somewhere else, prick.
BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 9:51 pm
"...sources that are accredited..." You mean sources that fit the liberal agenda? Huff Post, NYT (especially the editorials), CNN, CBS, Bloomberg, Politico, PBS, The Guardian...are those your accredited sources, Mr. Engels? Is that what you believe, what you read and hear from them? One can form a much clearer picture of what's going on in this country by reading the foreign news journals rather than the domestic ones. Valuable clue - don't overlook it in your quest for "accredited" sources.


My "accredited" sources are history books, the National Archives, the Constitution, recognized legitimate historical documents, police reports, court records, investment publications, market analyses (other than Bloomberg's) and many others...you know, the ones that really matter. Investment publications and market analyses, you ask? Yeah, because educated people have a desire to become successful, if not wealthy. You can't do that by saving your pennies - you have to make your money work for you. So there's no liberal crap in those articles - they are accurate and perceptive in their narratives, commentaries and financial advice.

On the subject of accredited sources, you folks seem to be kind of short on those, eh? All of the investigations that relied on "unnamed sources," witnesses who have no memory of what they are supposedly testifying about (the Justice Kavanaugh confirmation hearing comes to mind), and on and on and on. There is no end to it. Trying to overturn the result of a free and fair election, based on phony allegations from unnamed sources, evidence that has been tampered with, and missing or destroyed documents. Are those accredited and credible to you, Mr. Engels?

And we have two more meaningless posts from the most uneducated of all - raging out against fact, raging out against proper use of the English language, raging out against everything that he (or she) can't comprehend - which is a voluminous amount of things...pretty much everything under the sun. Having to use capital letters and multiple exclamation points to try to make his (or her) point, yet what is his (or her) point? He (or she) has no point. A quick analysis of his (or her)insults reveals that he (or she) is only spewing out how he (or she) views himself (or herself). Or itself...trying to be gender neutral, you know?
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 7:42 pm
Prick, your logic is toilet paper.

To wit, "...What (Senator) Lee got back was an astonishing outpouring of ignorance - even from people well practiced in saying ignorant things."

You stupid idiot, are you writing that Lee got feedback? And, the feedback was surprising and unusual? people disagree with Mr. Lee. well practiced (in what? you need to tell me...)or not. people disagree.

i think what you're really saying is people who normally agree with this hugging super spreader Mormon creep chose to disagree. you Just didN't likE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

go to grammarly! you will have much more fun with your porn addiction.

FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm
Big prick, go here for all your supercilious needs.

https://www.grammarly.com

karl engels · October 11, 2020 at 4:16 pm
Awh thank you <3 again tho, when arguing your cases please do try to find sources that are accredited; unlike breitbart, gateway pundit, and American thinker have all been widely discredited for spreading misinformation as well as promoting conspiracy theories to the uneducated and gullible
BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 2:49 pm
Sorry, Mr. Engels, I neglected to include you in the list of ignorant people. I will amend that right away. It wont happen again, sir.
karl engels · October 11, 2020 at 2:47 pm
It’s a lot more effective than shifting through the piles of baseless crap that most of you post so I appreciate him keeping it concise lol.
BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 2:23 pm
No capitalization, incorrect punctuation, incoherent sentence structure. Get your ghost writer to help you form a simple sentence and try again. You did get the spelling right, though. I'm impressed.

This actually makes my point - you have no knowledge about anything. Even after multiple, sometimes duplicate attempts, you still cannot communicate effectively. Crude, crass and vulgar are the only adjectives you know. You're in good company: Ms. Ward, Mr. Bentley, badelectronics, Ms. Rodgers, et al....funny how the most ignorant one of the bunch is the one who makes the most posts. Counter intuitive, isn't it?
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 12:51 pm
you're not wanted oops.
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 11:58 am
go someplace else big prick and solve your problem. your not wanted here and ridicule and insult is all you conservative right wingnut fellas got.
BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 10:48 am
"What (Senator) Lee got back was an astonishing outpouring of ignorance - even from people well practiced in saying ignorant things." Mike Moran wrote that a day or so ago, and he's talking about the liberals right here, those who pretend to know and understand things that in reality they have no comprehension of. Many of the comments posted here would be laughed at even at the high school civics class level, yet we have "educated" adults pretending to be wiser than their years. Yeah - their Alzheimer years. Speaking of Alzheimer's, how did Creepy Joe's rally go? He doesn't seem to remember it.
FairandBalanced · October 11, 2020 at 9:20 am
Smaller-Than-Expected Crowd Size Doesn’t Fill Arena At Trump Tulsa Rally

"Finally, people are recognizing that this man is a danger to our country, a danger to our democracy, and that he should not be the president of the United States of America. I just hope that this is a good sign that the country is moving on from him."

In recent days, two new slogans have débuted at Trump’s rallies. The first, visible on pre-printed flyers distributed by the campaign and shouted with gusto by the crowds, is “fill that seat!”

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – They came. They cheered. They left a little early.

Within a camera frame, Trump's rallies don't look very different today than they did four years ago.

End of an era? Trump says he won’t hold rallies with empty seats.

A planned July rally in New Hampshire was scrapped out of what the Trump campaign said was caution over an approaching storm, although forecasts suggested there was little risk. The day dawned sunny and warm, and the state Democratic Party said the weather amounted to a spurious cover story.

Trump has been trying to re-create the feeling of rallies by having groups of supporters meet him on the tarmac at his official events.

Trump seemed to revel in a smaller but ready-made crowd last weekend at his private golf resort in Bedminster, N.J.

After a lower turnout than expected, just under 6,200 people, at President Donald Trump’s first campaign rally since the shutdowns due to the coronavirus, rumors began to spread that the 1 million ticket requests came from “teens on TikTok” looking to sabotage the rally.

Trump will now hold the rally originally scheduled for Reno at a smaller airport in Minden and his Las Vegas event at a nearby manufacturing plant.

GET THE PICTURE?
BiggerPicture · October 11, 2020 at 9:16 am
That democrats have the gall to be distressed about truth is beyond belief. See the Politifact.com article that documents the Lyin' King and his administration's high end officials (namely Creepy Joe Biden)going on record 37 times for providing deliberately false and misleading public statements regarding the details of osamaobamacare. "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan..." Well, no. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor..." Well, no. "Costs will actually go down once our reforms take hold..." Well, no. My plan was no longer offered, I lost my doctor, and my premiums went up 780%. This democrat big idea on how to "reform" healthcare has completely ruined it in this country. So don't lecture us on the importance of truth - you are so imbued by the big liberal lie that you can no longer distinguish fact from fiction. Since low information voters have insufficient education and are allergic to facts, that big liberal lie looks very appealing to them, but the devil is in the conveniently omitted details. Read the fine print.
Jeffersonian American · October 11, 2020 at 9:00 am
PHOTOGRAPHS DON'T LIE: I see where Democrat Posters below need more reputable news journalism sources where their photos don't lie.

More Truth this weekend from Miami, FL, Washington, D.C., Beverly Hills, CA and elsewhere:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/miami-pd-estimates-30000-cars-participated-anti-communist-latinos-trump-caravan-south-florida-video/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/thousands-march-dc-blue-lives-matter-blexit-show-support-president-trump/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/huge-vp-mike-pence-draws-4000-florida-supporters-joe-biden-seen-rallies-year/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/10/large-and-diverse-pro-trump-rally-descends-on-beverly-hills/

IF ALL CONCERNED PATRIOT AMERICANS ACTUALLY VOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP FORECAST TO EASILY CARRY 37 STATES IN 2020; CARRIED 30 STATES IN 2016:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/10/looking_beyond_the_polls_there_continue_to_be_signs_that_trump_will_win.html

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/10/13-polls-in-october-2016-that-showed-hillary-clinton-with-a-big-lead-over-donald-trump/

17-YEAR-OLD FOREIGN CLIMATE MARXIST ENDORSES BIDEN "ACTUALLY, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE HIM DO IT" (make Biden end U.S. oil fracking and enact the Green New Deal):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/swedish-teen-climate-change-scold-great-thunberg-endorses-joe-biden/
FairandBalanced · October 10, 2020 at 8:20 pm
Sara Branscome’s golf cart whizzed down the smooth asphalt path that winds through The Villages, the nation’s largest retirement community, an expanse of beautiful homes, shops and entertainment venues that bills itself as “Florida’s Friendliest Hometown.”

Branscome’s cart was festooned with two American flags that flapped in the warm afternoon breeze. A line of oncoming carts bedecked with balloons and patriotic streamers chugged past while honking. Branscome jabbed her left foot on the horn pedal, then gave a thumbs-up.

“This gets you rejuvenated and ready for the next month or so, so we can do this and win. It gives you hope,” the 60-year-old retiree said.

Then she let out a whoop and two surprising words: “Go Biden!”

It’s not a cry that might be expected to resound in The Villages, and it’s certainly not one that is encouraging to President Donald Trump.

Mostly, it seems, older voters have been put off by Trump’s handling of the coronavirus, which affects these voters more acutely than others. They were particularly alarmed by Trump’s performances at daily task force briefings in the spring because his remarks showed an uneven handling of the crisis and inspired little confidence.
FairandBalanced · October 10, 2020 at 8:15 pm
wow! wow! wow! good bye miss lindsey graham....

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who is facing stiff competition from Democratic contender Jamie Harrison, asserted Friday evening that Black people “can go anywhere in this state” provided that they are “conservative, not liberal.”
FairandBalanced · October 10, 2020 at 5:35 pm
Amen Jerome. And, I like your sources unlike Jeff's rightwing wacko references which should not sway anyone.
Jerome Fields · October 10, 2020 at 4:00 pm
"The History That Links Trump and Putin" - https://time.com/4158801/history-trump-putin/
Jerome Fields · October 10, 2020 at 3:58 pm
More than Democracy is under threat when TRUTH no longer matters. Our self-worth, our standing in the world, our very lives are under threat when truth no longer matters.

Vote Blue in 2020!

"America's Greatest Threat: Vladimir Putin" - https://www.history.com/specials/americas-greatest-threat-vladimir-putin

Putin is NOT our country's friend.
Jeffersonian American · October 10, 2020 at 1:39 pm
What a truthful endorsement for U.S. President. Putin calls the Democrats what they are- Communists.

No wonder Joe Biden has been endorsed by everyone from the Communist Party USA, Bernie Sanders dictators around the world, not to mention the National Man-Boy Love Association and every other Radical Left LGBTQ+ organization- even Communist China wants China Joe to win. Americans know there is no reason why Putin would allegedly be trying to undermine Biden- China Joe has been bought and sold over the past 47 years in elected office- and can be bought and sold again- and his plans would weaken America considerably if not destroy it forever. Clearly, Biden is Russia and China's dream candidate:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/vladimir-putin-ties-democrats-soviet-communists-says-happy-work-joe-biden/

All the more evidence and reasons to reject your local, State and national Soviet Communist-style Democrat Candidates- and know that President Trump will be handily re-elected next month by All Concerned Americans of all races and socio-economic backgrounds- their American Dreams and the futures of all generations who have known and enjoyed liberty will depend on their tens of millions of determined votes in this upcoming national election- sadly, with no margin for error.

Democrats who pretend they love America while promising Marxist-Communist policies on http://www.joebiden.com are way overdue for another Day of Reckoning on November 3rd.
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FairandBalanced · October 9, 2020 at 9:31 pm
hold your powder Mark.
Mark House · October 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm
F&B - I found it interesting that many of the Federal Judges that the Republican's are packing the courts with were not qualified by the ABA (American Bar Association). "Trump Keeps Picking Unqualified People To Be Lifetime Judges. Republicans Don’t Care. The GOP has already confirmed five judicial nominees rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association"

WASHINGTON ― It’s hard to keep up with all of President Donald Trump’s questionable nominees for lifetime federal judgeships.

"There was Brett Talley, a 36-year-old lawyer and former paranormal activity investigator who tweeted about Hillary Clinton being “rotten” and said his solution to the Sandy Hook shooting massacre “would be to stop being a society of pansies and man up. Others include U.S. Circuit Judge Leonard Steven Grasz, who the ABA concluded was “unable to separate his role as an advocate from that of a judge,” given his strong anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion views; U.S. District Judge Charles Goodwin, who the ABA said lacked the ability to fulfill the demands of a federal judgeship given his frequent absence from the courthouse in his former role as a magistrate judge; and U.S. Circuit Judge Jonathan Kobes, who the ABA found “was unable to provide sufficient writing samples of the caliber required” of a circuit judge."

"For context, in his entire eight years in the White House, President Barack Obama didn’t nominate anyone to be a lifetime federal judge who earned a “not qualified” ABA rating."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-lifetime-judges-not-qualified-senate-republicans
FairandBalanced · October 9, 2020 at 7:35 pm
Democrats are more concerned about how power is obtained. How the candidate is chosen, picked and wins. How he or she will operate after power has been conveyed. Once the votes are in the die has been cast. Democrats, unlike many conservative, right wing, evangelical republicans tend to see others as good people, decent people, predisposed to kindness and giving a helping hand and most importantly allowed to live your life and make decisions about your life without interference from the government (abortion is a woman's right to choose).

So, for instance, they don't condone supposed BLM rioters. Nor do they think para-military groups are legal. You can't arrest a governor! You can elect them out! You can't arrest a president. You can vote that person out.

But, they do believe in democracy. One vote for every legal voter in an election that decides who gets to make the rules. This socialism and Marxism crap is just that. Conservatives crying wolf in the form of an elevator speech easily understood by people who don't care about politics or intellectual pursuits.
FairandBalanced · October 9, 2020 at 11:53 am
BTW, The Federalist Papers are about authority not democracy. Republicans were never really concerned about democracy. Their interests centered on the containment of power and tyranny to prevent oppression from the majority rule. At least, until Trumpism took over the party and turned these mighty John Birchers into sycophants.

Lee’s definition of “democracy” is out of step with both the way the founders used the term and the way most political observers use it today. It is an idiosyncratic definition found almost exclusively among American conservatives — in a way that reveals some deeper problems in the modern conservative project.

The idea that majority rule is intrinsically oppressive is necessarily an embrace of anti-democracy: an argument that an enlightened few, meaning Republican supporters, should be able to make decisions for the rest of us. If the election is close, and Trump makes a serious play to steal it, Lee’s “we’re not a democracy” argument provides a ready-made justification for tactics that amount to a kind of legal coup.

BiggerPicture · October 9, 2020 at 7:49 am
15 posts in an attempt to convey a simple message. You are not an effective communicator. Start with spelling and punctuation, then graduate to sentence structure. Who is doing your ghost writing for you? That person has some semblance of a proper education. You should use him or her all of the time.
FairandBalanced · October 9, 2020 at 1:02 am
Oh No! The dreaded Jeffersonian American. This dude needs a home. Newspaper and clean water in a bowl below the knee. Anyway...

Federalism means states are more sovereign than the whole nation.

Nationalism means we love our states but the judiciary, executive and legislative central government is the best way to go.

Democracy means you get to determine individually who rules you, if at all! One vote for all!

republicanism (little 'r') means you are represented by a person who then gets to determine who will rule you.

Jeffersonian American · October 9, 2020 at 12:26 am
Stephen Klugewicz, writing at THE IMAGINATIVE CONSERVATIVE, observed an interesting historical discussion on liberty in 1866 that featured Lord Acton who corresponded with General Robert E. Lee after the conclusion of the American War Between the States. Sympathetic to the Confederate cause, Lord Acton considered America’s Constitution as imperfect and “saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will.” In his letter of November 4, 1866, Lord Acton told General Lee that “secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy,” and expressed his belief that General Lee had been “fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization.”

General Lee, who had taken a loyalty oath to the United States in October of 1865 (his pardon would not be granted for more than a century), and who had been an opponent of secession prior to the war, responded in a letter a few weeks later that he “considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad.” But General Lee added he believed “the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government.”

The two men—the English, Catholic historian and champion of political liberty, and the American, Episcopal warrior and opponent of the dangers of political “consolidation," indeed shared much in common in terms of their views on liberty.

In his response letter to Lord Action, General Lee observed, with a remarkable vision of over 150 years into the future, the eventual massive rupture of our American political system which characterizes Mr. Lincoln's Empire in our current time. Robert E. Lee astutely noted in 1866:

I am conscious the compliment conveyed in your request for my opinion as to the light in which American politics should be viewed, and had I the ability, I have not the time to enter upon a discussion, which was commenced by the founders of the constitution and has been continued to the present day. I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism. The New England states, whose citizens are the fiercest opponents of the Southern states, did not always avow the opinions they now advocate. Upon the purchase of Louisiana by Mr. Jefferson, they virtually asserted the right of secession through their prominent men; and in the convention which assembled at Hartford in 1814, they threatened the disruption of the Union unless the war should be discontinued. The assertion of this right has been repeatedly made by their politicians when their party was weak, and Massachusetts, the leading state in hostility to the South, declares in the preamble to her constitution, that the people of that commonwealth “have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free sovereign and independent state, and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right which is not, or may hereafter be by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.” Such has been in substance the language of other State governments, and such the doctrine advocated by the leading men of the country for the last seventy years. (CONTINUED NEXT POSTING)
Jeffersonian American · October 9, 2020 at 12:24 am
(CONTINUED) Judge Chase, the present Chief Justice of the U.S., as late as 1850, is reported to have stated in the Senate, of which he was a member, that he “knew of no remedy in case of the refusal of a state to perform its stipulations,” thereby acknowledging the sovereignty and independence of state action. But I will not weary you with this unprofitable discussion. Unprofitable because the judgment of reason has been displaced by the arbitrament of war, waged for the purpose as avowed of maintaining the union of the states. If, therefore, the result of the war is to be considered as having decided that the union of the states is inviolable and perpetual under the constitution, it naturally follows that it is as incompetent for the general government to impair its integrity by the exclusion of a state, as for the states to do so by secession; and that the existence and rights of a state by the constitution are as indestructible as the union itself. The legitimate consequence then must be the perfect equality of rights of all the states; the exclusive right of each to regulate its internal affairs under rules established by the Constitution, and the right of each state to prescribe for itself the qualifications of suffrage. The South has contended only for the supremacy of the constitution, and the just administration of the laws made in pursuance to it. Virginia to the last made great efforts to save the union, and urged harmony and compromise. Senator Douglass, in his remarks upon the compromise bill recommended by the committee of thirteen in 1861, stated that every member from the South, including Messrs. Toombs and Davis, expressed their willingness to accept the proposition of Senator Crittenden from Kentucky, as a final settlement of the controversy, if sustained by the republican party, and that the only difficulty in the way of an amicable adjustment was with the republican party. Who then is responsible for the war? Although the South would have preferred any honorable compromise to the fratricidal war which has taken place, she now accepts in good faith its constitutional results, and receives without reserve the amendment which has already been made to the constitution for the extinction of slavery. That is an event that has been long sought, though in a different way, and by none has it been more earnestly desired than by citizens of Virginia. In other respects I trust that the constitution may undergo no change, but that it may be handed down to succeeding generations in the form we received it from our forefathers.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 10:24 pm
Democracy-direct rule. Republicanism-mediated, insulated, indirect rule by people who were elected to elect a ruler who then represents YOU! Democracy-YES. Republican-NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 10:19 pm
they come up for election EVERY TWO YEARS! All of them!
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 10:17 pm
We are a democracy in a republic. we love our states. but we love our nation. We love our Senators but we also love our Congressmen, Congresswomen, Representatives and House Members (all one in the same). And, these people, whatever you want to call them, are elected by you and me. Directly. And, they report to us directly. And, if we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out every TWO years!
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 10:06 pm
so when BP says 'read the Federalist Papers' he is talking trash because the Federalist Papers were all about states' rights. Not representative democracy in a national system lead by politicians who are elected directly by the people from all corners of the nation. a nation with supreme sovereignty. We are a democracy in a republic. we love our states. but we love our nation.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 9:58 pm
get it? every state gets two senators. and every state gets one congressperson per 100,000 in that state.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 9:56 pm
i forgot to mention. each state gets two senators. and the number of congresspeople in each state is determined by the population of each state which depends on the Census which occurs every 10 years.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 9:54 pm
Proposed laws can originate in the Senate or the House of Representatives. In order for those proposals to become law both the Senate and House must vote to approve the law. Then it goes to the executive, the president, for affirmation and approval. this executive dude has what is called the "national negative" or veto.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 9:49 pm
The House of Representatives shares equal responsibility for lawmaking with the U.S. Senate. As conceived by the framers of the Constitution, the House was to represent the popular will, and its members were to be directly elected by the people. This is accomplished by creating election districts that roughly represent 100,000 people (of any race, nationality, voting right, age). That is why the census is so important.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 9:41 pm
Let's not think about the national House of Representatives (Congress, Congressman, Congresswoman, Representatives...)right now. Let's just focus on the Senate!

In the Senate, a Wyoming resident’s vote counts 60 times more than a Californian’s, since California has 60 times the population of Wyoming yet still has the same representation. This bolsters the influence of sparsely populated rural states, . skewing the Senate rightward.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 8:48 pm
I like drawing this out big prick. you ever go to the diner? i have kicked a lot of republican's ass at the diner. ah. you probably eat at the finest restaurants. you probably are best buds with Patrick O'Connell (i love him. he loves me and we are both the same sex). there's more. just wait for it.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 8:42 pm
edumacation. sorry.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 8:41 pm
And so, as democracy became an issue, back in 1787, it floated between direct representation and filtered representation. Popular vote and electoral vote. Madison was always concerned about the tyranny of the majority. stay tuned big prick. you are about to get an edumaction.
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 7:33 pm
what are you doing on the internet bigprick? Get to work! I will be checking your isle tomorrow around 10A. After I have my coffee, eat my bun and check in with my brokers and investors. Tote that barge! Lift that bale! Git a little drunk, An' you land in jail..."
FairandBalanced · October 8, 2020 at 7:01 pm
BP, that's all you fellas got! ridicule. insult. lies. I just finished Noah Feldman's book (you know the Harvard law professor who gave testimony at the orange trash bag's impeachment), "The Three Lives of James Madison".

One of the book's historical recountings talks about how the "... government ought to be established consisting of a supreme legislative, executive and judiciary." It came about.

The main issue, though, as we transitioned from the Articles of Confederation to a new constitution, was a federal v. national government ( I know that goes way over your head).

At this convention in 1787 "...The delegates would not have been surprised to hear "democracy" disparaged". To them, "...it meant direct rule by the people, as opposed to republicanism, which mediated the people's will through what Madison had called "flirtations", multiple layers of of elected officials".

YOU, BIG-P, are a let down to me. I thought I might have found someone who I would truly love to kick ass at the diner.

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