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June 30, 2020 · OPINION

November election critical to our national security

Photo/White House
President Trump at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point on June 13.
By Max Hall

As a veteran and West Point graduate, I am once again disappointed in the current administration. We recently learned not only do the Russians continue to meddle in our elections, they have posted “bounties” on our soldiers in Afghanistan.

Our president’s public response since the intelligence community confirmed this information in March? He has advocated reducing our troops serving in Germany, weakening the NATO alliance; he has insisted the Russians and Vladimir Putin become a part of the G7 Summit, and he spoke at the West Point graduation for the Class of 2020 where he reminded the graduates of their “noble creed: duty, honor country” but neglected to mention they might also be the target of Russian-funded assassination attempts.
The new West Point officers swore an oath that day to protect our country against “all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Our president took the same oath when sworn in but has shown little regard for it over the past 3-1/2 years. During his time in office, Mr. Trump has repeatedly insulted our allies and advocated on behalf of the Russians and Mr. Putin.

I don’t pretend to know why he does this. I do know it works to the disadvantage of the United States. Our position in the world has weakened and continues to weaken during his time in office. 
What can we, as citizens, do about this? The answer is simple. Vote in the presidential election on Nov. 3.

If you have not registered, do so now. If you believe you are registered, verify it through our local registrar’s office in Warrenton.  Make your plan to vote, whether absentee or in person. This election is too important to miss.
Our future safety depends on a strong and stable United States — a United States where oaths and commitments are kept. We as citizens have the power and the obligation to make this happen.
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AmericanPatriot · July 7, 2020 at 7:20 pm
And a scrofulous, snide ass.
AmericanPatriot · July 7, 2020 at 4:43 pm
Patraeus was a west point grad too
Linda Ward · July 5, 2020 at 12:40 pm
badelectronics - Agreed, anyone in that Administration finally doing something INTELLIGENT is refreshing.
badelectronics · July 5, 2020 at 7:49 am
@Tony, I do not care what she might say, but if her wearing of a mask changes the mind of just one person in re COVID-19, than I'll take it.
Tony Bentley · July 4, 2020 at 7:37 pm
Bad - I don't care one way or the other if Ivanka wears a mask. What gets me is that anyone listens to a word she says or cares about anything she does. Plastic Barbie!
badelectronics · July 4, 2020 at 5:53 pm
jim goodwin · July 4, 2020 at 8:51 am
Tony, you may be right that our days are numbered. That remains to be seen. I can tell you a couple things for sure. If the Democratic party continues on its current trajectory, if people continue consuming Marxist ideology with no thought for the consequences, you'll get your way. You'll be dancing on the graves of the "faux patriots" that tried to warn you.
But I can promise you'll live the rest of your life in fear and slavery to the ever growing State. You'll see what it's truly like when the new government ignores the 1st Amendment and establishes Leftism as the national religion.
Tony Bentley · July 3, 2020 at 10:39 pm
jim goodwin, DonkeyFarmer, AmericanPatriot, and Sonny Day -

As the British say "Bugger Off"! Go wave your flag and hold your prejudices close because your days are numbered as being anything more than faux patriots.

We all have the "Equal Opportunity" to succeed, sure we do..........
DonkeyFarmer · July 3, 2020 at 7:15 pm
I hope everyone here has a happy and healthy Independence Day. Yes, even Linda and Tony.

Maybe tomorrow everyone can take a minute to think about those signers of the Declaration of Independence, knowing that if they lost, their signature would likely be a death sentence. That you now live in the greatest country on earth is because of them. Yes, they were flawed, aren't we all, but we all owe a great deal to them. I am thankful beyond measure that I was born in this country. We all have privilege living in this country. Because we all have equal OPPORTUNITY to succeed. American privilege.
jim goodwin · July 3, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Social Security is a program that never should have been started. It is an unsustainable Ponzi Scheme. Maybe if we spent more time teaching students about budgets and saving instead of teaching them they're victims or white supremacists, maybe we wouldn't need Social Security.

And, Farmers Cooperatives and Community Supported Agriculture aren't examples of Socialism. They're voluntary programs. Socialist programs are enforced by people with authority and guns. Try not paying your Social Security and see what happens.
jim goodwin · July 3, 2020 at 4:58 pm
Oh, and with respect to the difference between Socialism and Democratic Socialism: They are still products of Marxism and I will never support either platform. With respect to the Democratic party, they are the camel's nose in the tent.

jim goodwin · July 3, 2020 at 4:39 pm
Linda, all of the problems you name are behavioral problems that are enabled by Democrats. What you choose to focus on when you say this is how "America looks" is quite interesting. All those statistics don't mean anything with respect to what America IS. It doesn't detract from the idea of America. And the millions of people that immigrate here every year are a testament that no matter how hard Democrats and Leftists try to denigrate the true idea of America, half this country and half the world know it's a beacon of hope.

Tony, yes, I don't throw those terms around lightly. And if all you hear from both sides is "LOCK them UP", again a focus only on the negative. Leftists truly are the most negative, ungrateful and unhappy people on the planet.

You two should watch the movies Uncle Tom and No Safe Spaces. Maybe you'll learn something. If you PROMISE to watch them, I'll even pay for it.

Liberty. E Pluribus Unum. In God We Trust.
Tony Bentley · July 3, 2020 at 2:21 pm
jim goodwin - "truly insane" and "pitifully blind" to LW? What makes you an expert on insanity or blindness? It takes one to know one 'jim'.

You are the one who has forgotten what America stands for according to the preamble of the Constitution:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

How are our government and the citizens of this country promoting the general Welfare, establishing justice, and securing the blessings of liberty when all I hear is "LOCK them UP" from all sides?
Linda Ward · July 3, 2020 at 10:14 am
jim goodwin - How America looks........There are more than 85,000 rapes in the U.S each year, that’s almost more than double the number of rapes in the next highest country (South Africa), while the average in a country half it’s size is 2000–4000
Racism, while there are not many official Neo Nazis groups in the U.S, it is still a very very racist country
Around 32 Million Americans are Illiterate
The school system is disastrous
Gun culture is quite extreme, and it has a huge mass shooting problem
There are around 2.5 Million people currently in Prisons, Jails, and in other institutions, and when Probationers are included, that number goes up to 6.5 Million, also per every 100,000 people, 380 of those people are white, 966 are Latinos, and 2,207 of those are blacks, so there is clear racial inequality involved in the prison system, not to mention the shootings of unarmed black men.
Obesity is a problem, with 70% of Americans being either overweight or obese.
Around 55 Million Americans cannot afford, or have problems affording quality or sufficient healthcare. On the other hand, 70,000 Americans died from overdose in 2018.
40,000,000 Americans live in Poverty
In the U.S in 2018 there were 48,344 recorded suicides, and that number is constantly rising.
Systematic oppression keeps minorities from thriving or succeeding.
12. Half million Americans are homeless currently.

13. Almost 50 million Americans are smokers.

14. 42,037,336 Americans are alcoholics

15. 27.9% of Americans suffer from a debilitating mental health Issue

16. 1,018,000 Americans have HIV/AIDS

17. While America produces many smart minds, the average American is not very intelligent.

18. 7000 kids drop out of high school each day in the U.S

19. There were 15,498 murders in the U.S in 2019

20. 83% of Americans cannot, or have many struggles when trying to pay for college, and U.S colleges are very expensive.

21. Sexual Harassment/Assault According to Rainn, every 73 seconds an American is sexually assaulted, 34 percent of women say it is an issue for them, 43% of women say they’ve been sexually assaulted at work, 30% of women said at work they suffered unwanted advances, and according to the Washington Post and Abc News, 95% of perpetrators are not punished. According to PEW, of the men surveyed, 10% said being male was negative for them, while 66% said it was positive, and 24% were neutral. Of the women surveyed, 51% said being a woman was negative for them, 23% said it was positive, 25% were neutral, and 1% did not answer.

22. Racial and religious inequality.

23. There were over 7,000 hate crimes in the U.S in 2018

24. According to Pew, Blacks in the U.S earn 63% on average of that of whites, and 64% of blacks had incomes less than 40,000$, while 40% of whites had incomes less than 40,000$ and, fewer hispanics 33% earned 40,000–120,000$ a year than whites (50%). Hispanics in the U.S earn 63% on average of that of whites, and 62% of hispanics had incomes less than 40,000$, while 40% of whites had incomes less than 40,000$ and, fewer hispanics 35% earned 40,000–120,000$ a year than whites (50%).

25. On November 4, 2020, the U.S will be the only country disagreeing to follow/ratify the Paris agreement, besides the countries of Syria, Angola, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq, Libya, South Sudan, Turkey, and Yemen. (However Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and South Sudan are are all war-zones, and impoverished), Syria, Eritrea and Iran are run by dictators, and Angola and Libya are also poor. Turkey, like the U.S does not have many excuses in that regard, besides being run by a semi-dictator, being right next to a war-zone, and not being particularly rich."
Linda Ward · July 3, 2020 at 10:03 am
"Socialism is a political, social, and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative or of equity."

"Democratic Socialism: The means of production are managed by the working people, and there is a democratically elected government.Democratic planning is used for common goods, such as mass transit, housing, and energy, while the free market is allowed to produce and distribute consumer goods."

"The term “socialism” has been applied to very different economic and political systems throughout history, including utopianism, anarchism, Soviet communism and social democracy. These systems vary widely in structure, but they share an opposition to an unrestricted market economy, and the belief that public ownership of the means of production (and making money) will lead to better distribution of wealth and a more egalitarian society."

We have Social Security, we have Farmers Cooperatives, we have Community Supported Agriculture (CSA). Aren't we already participating in a "socialist" society in one form or another?
badelectronics · July 3, 2020 at 9:33 am
I'll vote Republican only in local elections.
AmericanPatriot · July 3, 2020 at 8:56 am
Deworm America.

Vote republican 2020
jim goodwin · July 3, 2020 at 8:18 am
Linda, voting Democrat is tantamount to voting for Socialism at this point. If you'd rather have Socialism than Trump, you are truly insane. As I said, Trump is the lesser of two evils.
The Left seeks power in order to influence by force. The Right seeks influence to guide the individual to seek their own power.
The Left wants to consolidate power in the federal government. The Right wants to leave as much power in the individual states as possible.
If you can't see these truths, you are pitifully blind. You've forgotten what America stands for or have rejected it altogether in favor of a Socialist Utopia that will never happen.
Tony Bentley · July 2, 2020 at 5:08 pm
Sonny Day - Trump has been slamming his opponents (AND the Republicans) from day one. Everything he said he intended to do for the country has gone south, because the only thing he has done is take care of himself and his cronies.

P.S. Nowhere has Linda Ward said she supported Hillary. I believe somewhere she said she had to hold her nose to vote for her.

With Trump at the helm we are moving further from a democracy to a dictatorship. Hope you like your freedoms because if he gets elected it will be "all hail the King" and you will be one of the peasants serving your Lord and Master.
badelectronics · July 2, 2020 at 4:53 pm
Sonny Day: "Everyone knows..." Argumentum ad populum.
Linda Ward · July 2, 2020 at 2:42 pm
"The sycophants who continue to rationalize his conduct got practically nothing from the Faustian bargain. His Supreme Court justices did not overturn abortion precedent, undo protections for the “dreamers” or deny LGBTQ Americans freedom from discrimination. The tax cuts for the rich never delivered on promises of sustained prosperity (and surely did not pay for themselves). The price they (and we) paid was intolerable. We have suffered from a pandemic that has killed more than 124,000 Americans, an economy akin to the Great Depression, a Russian patsy masquerading as a friend of the troops, a self-dealer who corruptly promoted his own holdings as president and a racist entirely out of step with a country yearning for racial justice.

We dare not repeat the error of 2016. We know — because we know Trump — a second term would be equally if not more calamitous than the first. Character this twisted is destiny. Unfitness this severe is irreparable."
Linda Ward · July 2, 2020 at 2:36 pm
"Early 2020: SEAL Team 6 raids a Taliban outpost and recovers $500,000 in cash — an event which affirmed the intelligence community’s suspicions about Russia paying bounties.

February: Allegations of Russia’s bounties again make their way to the National Security Council.

Feb. 29: The United States strikes an initial peace deal with the Taliban, which includes a full withdrawal of U.S. forces in 14 months. But Taliban-linked groups would fail to comply with the deal, and further planned peace talks have yet to materialize.

Late March: U.S. intelligence holds a large interagency meeting to discuss the intelligence on Russia’s alleged bounties. The CIA would ultimately conclude that the information was credible and that there was little doubt Russia was targeting U.S. troops, while the National Security Agency would take a more skeptical view. The New York Times reported that Trump had been briefed on the matter at this time, which Trump and the White House deny. But sources have confirmed the information was contained in Trump’s written President’s Daily Brief (or PDB), which Trump reportedly rarely, if ever, reads. The administration still hasn’t lodged an official response to the alleged bounties.

April 18: Trump says, “I have a very good relationship with Putin.”

May: A converted version of the intelligence is distributed in the Wire, a regular CIA report that can be accessed by other government agencies and certain congressional offices.

May 8: Trump says of Russia: “We had no calls from Russia for years. And all of a sudden, we have this great friendship. And, by the way, getting along with Russia is a great thing, getting along with Putin and Russia is a great thing.”

May 8: Trump speaks with Putin and offers to send ventilators to help Russia fight the coronavirus outbreak there. The United States will send 200 ventilators as part of a $5.6 million humanitarian package.

May 21: Trump says: “Russia and us have developed a very good relationship. As you know, we worked on the oil problem together. I think we have a very good relationship with Russia.”

May 30: Trump postpones the G-7 summit and renews his calls for Russia to be reinstated into it.

June 5: Trump says of the ventilators, “We’re sending some to Russia. It’s good for relationship. It’s good for everything.”

Late June: Britain is informed of the intelligence on Russia’s bounties, given that its troops could also have been targets. Other coalition members are not informed.

June 24: Trump attacks the Obama administration for allegedly having been weak on Russia. After Polish President Andrzej Duda brings up Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, Trump says, “I just want to add: 2014, which the president was talking about — that was a year where Russia had a good time with the United States. To the best of my knowledge, President Obama and Sleepy Joe Biden, they were in power. They were the ones that were doing it. This was before us. It hasn’t happened with us, and it won’t happen with us, either.”

June 25: One day before news of the Russian bounties and the lack of a U.S. response breaks, Trump repeats his claim to having been tough on Russia. “I was tougher on Russia than any president that’s ever lived — any president,” Trump tells Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity. “Nobody has done what I’ve done with sanctions and all.”

June 26: The New York Times breaks the news about Russia’s bounties. It would soon be confirmed by The Post, the Associated Press and others.

June 28: Trump claims in a tweet responding to the reports, “Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP” Mike Pence. Trump adds that it’s “Possibly another fabricated Russia Hoax.”

June 29: Congressional Republicans are briefed on the intelligence at the White House, with many of them, unlike Trump, expressing grave concerns about it.

June 30: Congressional Democrats are briefed, but say they weren’t provided much information besides the White House’s spin.

July 1: Trump again repeatedly calls the situation a “hoax,” both in tweets and an interview with Fox Business Network. “From what I hear, and I hear it pretty good, the intelligence people didn’t even — many of them didn’t believe it happened at all. I think it’s a hoax. I think it’s a hoax by the newspapers and the Democrats.”

Don't you just love a Commander-in-Chief who cares so much about American troops he considers their killing a "HOAX"?
Linda Ward · July 2, 2020 at 2:35 pm
April 2017: Army Gen. John Nicholson, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, appears to confirm reports that Russia is arming the Taliban. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis adds, “Any weapons being funneled here from a foreign country would be a violation of international law unless they were coming to the government of Afghanistan.”

February 2018: U.S. troops and their Syrian allies kill about 100 people, including Russian mercenaries who were working for an oligarch close to Putin, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, after coming under attack. The event marks the deadliest clash between Americans and Russians since the Cold War ended three decades earlier. U.S. officials have indicated that the bounties might have been in retaliation for this, according to The Post.
March 2018: Nicholson again cites “destabilizing activity by the Russians” in Afghanistan. The Taliban and Russia say the claim is baseless.

April 2019: Three U.S. Marines are killed and three service members wounded in an attack on an American convoy returning to Bagram air base in Afghanistan. The Taliban claims responsibility. Intelligence officials believe this to have been part of the Russian bounty program, according to Washington Post sources. The attack has also been connected to the bounties by the Associated Press.

Early 2019: The White House is first made aware of intelligence suggesting Russia was offering bounties, according to Washington Post reporting. The intelligence, which came from Afghan militants and indicated that the bounties might have dated back as early as 2018, is discussed within the White House’s National Security Council. The intelligence community and U.S. Central Command are told to find out more before any action is taken.

October 2019: Russia joins the United States, China and Pakistan in signing a statement on peace in Afghanistan.

Linda Ward · July 2, 2020 at 2:17 pm
Trump the King of Corruption. He'll be looking for his crown soon.
badelectronics · July 2, 2020 at 12:44 pm
Scene: Oval Office, The White House.

CIA Briefer: "Mr. President, it snowed last night."
President of the U.S. of A., D.J. Trump: "Do we have confirmation that it snowed last night?"
CIA Briefer: "Mr. President, there is snow on the ground."
President: "But how do you know it snowed last night? Maybe CNN put the snow there this morning, or MSNBC did it. Did you check with OANN???"
CIA Briefer, now in a state of befuddlement: "There was no snow on the ground yesterday, and there is 3 feet of snow on the ground now.
The President: "Until I get confirmation that it snowed last night, there is no snow on the ground."
CIA Briefer: "Yes Mr. President, as you wish."
Tony Bentley · July 2, 2020 at 12:20 pm
Not only is our national security at risk, so is our national decency. Trump has been bought and paid for IMO, Putin owns the President of the United States and only time will tell how disgraceful his Presidency has been.

AG Barr has to be scrambling. How long will it be before Ms. Maxwell is 'epsteined" while in lock-up? How soon will the cameras stop functioning in and near her jail cell?

"Longtime associate of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested
Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested in New Hampshire on federal charges stemming from New York prosecutors’ investigation of the disgraced financier’s sex trafficking."

Case 1:16-cv-07673-RA

"10. Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted. Exhs. A and B. 11. Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump, Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed. Exhs. A and B."

"screaming that he would do whatever he wanted"

That phrase has been said by Trump before. "Trump falsely says the Constitution gives him ‘the right to do whatever I want’."
badelectronics · July 2, 2020 at 10:08 am
JC: Troll away.
JustCurious · July 2, 2020 at 9:29 am
badelectronics: Thank you for that clarification about Amb. Moustache.

With respect to the topic - you completely ignore the points. Clearly nothing will convince you to impartially evaluate evidence. Also, no one has answered the questions 'what would you do?' or 'what do you want done?'

Alas, these threads degenerate into baseless screams at the adults in the room who are trying to have a discussion of facts. I'm outta here.

badelectronics · July 2, 2020 at 7:18 am
I'm going to quote Samuel Clemens to help sum up the Republican conservative dystopian position on Trump:

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
badelectronics · July 2, 2020 at 5:46 am
Just Curious:

I said Trump lies. Trump said COVID was going away. This goes to Trump being a liar.

I'm sorry you could not put together mustache and John Bolton.
Germany Putin: Further link in the chain for Trump.

Electoral college:

"Originally, the Electoral College provided the Constitutional Convention with a compromise between the popular election of the President and congressional selection. ... The 12th Amendment—ratified in 1804—changed the original process, allowing for separate ballots for determining the President and Vice President."

JustCurious · July 1, 2020 at 7:33 pm

Yes, the WSJ published a story with no sourcing beyond vague, anonymous officials with access to classified reports ... maybe ... Coupled with the NYT stories, that is hardly a justification for USG action. Contemplate the President (any president) imposing sanctions/penalties based solely on reporting by the NYT and WSJ. What might The World-writ-large say?

"Ambassador Mustache said he briefed the President on it. He is not a know liar, the President however, is." ---> A search for "Ambassador Mustache, President, Russian bounties" yielded zero relevant hits, so I can't reply to your assertion. Can you provide additional links, please?

"Trump said Covid was going away in the spring time. It obviously did not and seems to be getting worse." ---> is not relevant to the present discussion about Russian bounties and the high volume demands to 'do something'. Please stay on topic, or perhaps open a new topic.

"Why is Trump pulling troops out of Germany? How does that forward our interest and how does it help Putin's interests?" ---> Again, not relevant to this topic. But, have you considered ANY possibility that troop removal might be in our interest? Is our interest aided by having American troops on the tip of the spear, protecting Europe? But I digress only to ask you to contemplate a broad spectrum of concepts. Meanwhile, back on topic.

Sonny Day: do you understand the Electoral College, and why it was created? In a nutshell: so a few large states can't control the election outcome = every state might be important. Winning the popular vote requires winning only a few large states. The college isn't perfect, but it isn't a bad concept IF you contemplate the reasoning behind it. Should a national popular vote be enacted? That has pros and cons - but that is not relevant to the topic of bounties and demands to do 'something'.

What do you want done, and to whom?

Full Disclosure: I'm neither attacking nor defending the President. I am simply questioning the support/reasoning/demands in this thread.


jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 7:23 pm
See, Jerome, it wouldn't matter what I give to charity or pay in taxes. You'd still deem it inadequate. You're a Leftist. Never satisfied because you're always comparing the state of things to Utopia.
jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 7:20 pm
No shit, Jerome! And it's a damn good thing we have an ELECTORAL COLLEGE instead of a popular vote otherwise all of our presidential elections would be decided only by California and New York.

And that lawsuit (filed conveniently one month before the election)? What was the decision? Was it settled? Did the plaintiff win?

Trump's a sleaze bag. But he's STILL the lesser of two evils. When he starts treating our country like the victim in that lawsuit was allegedly treated, I'll pay attention. So far, I like most of what he's doing (or trying to do).
Jerome Fields · July 1, 2020 at 7:04 pm
jim goodwin - "Most of what I listed are government programs, Linda. We all donated to them whether we like it or not!" Sure OK, your taxes, my taxes, Linda's taxes, go to pay for programs, but that isn't all people can do to help. There are actual donations of food, goods, and time. Ever volunteered at the food bank, FISH, community events, pack backpacks for school supplies, lent a hand with Habitat for Humanity? Some how I doubt it "jim".
Jerome Fields · July 1, 2020 at 6:58 pm
Sonny Day- Trump was elected because of the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. He did not win the popular vote!
Jerome Fields · July 1, 2020 at 6:52 pm
jim goodwin - this is all I need to know that Donald Trump is a sleeze bag, the girl was 13 years old: My saying that is not slander or libelous since there is court evidence filed.

"Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties.
On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff
to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the
course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but
with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in
the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted. Exhs. A and
11. Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were
she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump,
Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed. Exhs. A and B"

badelectronics · July 1, 2020 at 6:16 pm
badelectronics · July 1, 2020 at 6:09 pm
known not know.
badelectronics · July 1, 2020 at 6:08 pm
JustCurious, didn't the WSJ also publish a story?

Yes, they did.

Trump is saying it is not true and Putin is saying it is not true. Trump lies more that a rug. And I'm not going to trust anything Putin says.

Trump said Covid was going away in the spring time. It obviously did not and seems to be getting worse.

Ambassador Mustache said he briefed the President on it. He is not a know liar, the President however, is.

Why is Trump pulling troops out of Germany? How does that forward our interest and how does it help Putin's interests?

Just curious.
JustCurious · July 1, 2020 at 5:32 pm

This is an astonishing thread in many respects. The 'vigilante necktie committee' tone is disappointing.

alm1 - "I could post any number of articles verifying the intelligence on Russian bounties, but your detractors on here would neither read nor believe them. "
Searches do yield many hits - but they all are circular reporting that comes back to either the NYT story or to unnamed 'officials'. Nothing actually confirms the story. In fact, many officials on-the-record claim the NYT story is inaccurate. Circular reporting is not confirmation. Circular reporting should not be read and believed.
EducatedCitizen - "Dereliction of Duty - pure and simple."
Really? Bad actors have always offered bounties. Would you have the USG impose sanctions [or whatever] based SOLELY on NYT allegations? What would YOU do if you were in charge? Awaiting validated intelligence becomes dereliction of duty in your mind - so what would YOU do, and when would YOU do it? How would you justify your actions?
Silii - "Bounties on our soldiers' heads and Trump has known about it since early 2019. There is nothing more despicable, nothing, ..."
What is despicable - the fact that bad actors offer bounties, or that the President knew (perhaps) about [alleged] bounties? I'll guess the latter.
I suspect the Taliban and ALQ and Iraqi and Libyan offer(ed) bounties, too. And not just for members of the armed forces - civilian targets were fine, too. Google "civilians held hostage in AFG" and you will read many stories. What would YOU do, and when, based solely on NYT reporting? How would you justify your actions?

Bottom Line: the NYT has published a story. It might, or might not, be accurate. We, the general public, simply do not know. Until we DO know, then all the blatherings are pointless. What would you have the USG do? If the NYT story is accurate, then let the chips fall as they may. If the NYT story is bogus, then what? Will the apologies be forthcoming? Will anyone learn any lessons about jumping to conclusions before the facts are distilled? Will anyone learn that circular reporting is not confirmation analysis?

Finally - and this is nothing more than pure speculation - the USG has been known to do things quietly, out of the glare of the public view. We might never know of those actions. What if 'things' are being done quietly? Might any of you even consider that is possible?

May I suggest that folks slow down, contemplate/think, evaluate the available information for veracity, and take a deep breath.

badelectronics · July 1, 2020 at 5:30 pm
Sonny Day, are you are pro life?
jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 5:11 pm
Linda, you can wonder about "kickbacks" all you want but it's basically just libel until you have hard evidence. You and the rest of the never-Trumpers continue to, at the very least, imply that he's unintelligent and yet you'll credit him with being smart enough to amass vast fortunes by playing political games so crafty that his "supporters" are all fooled and only the Democrats can see the evidence. Kind of like proving God exists, isn't it?
jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 5:02 pm
Actually, Linda, I have been poor. So poor in fact that the only way I could eat was to catch my own food for a brief period. What of it? Are you implying I have no empathy? And what does this have to do with the discussion anyway? Is this your way of saying that Democrats are the only ones that can stop poverty or that they're the only ones that have empathy for the poor? Please read my first post in this thread to see what I think about that.

And you know those places are there and you donated to them? Most of what I listed are government programs, Linda. We all donated to them whether we like it or not!
Linda Ward · July 1, 2020 at 4:32 pm
Sonny Day - Who just sold $8 BILLION worth of ARMS to the Saudi Arabians? The majority of the 9/11 hijackers and Osama Bin Lauden were from there. Wonder how much of a kickback that little endeavor reaped Jared and his daddy-in-law?
Linda Ward · July 1, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Sonny Day - You know nothing about what happened with that Ambassador (he was told not to go to the Embassy BECAUSE there wasn't enough security). He decided to John Wayne it, and got himself and his staff killed. How I know is none of your business!

jim goodwin - Have you ever been poor? Have you ever had to ask for handouts? You have no idea what it's like to have to depend on charity to keep your kids from going hungry or without clothes! Sure those organizations are there, but most people would RATHER not have to be in that situation. Don't have much choice when you have kids or are sick or disabled. Doesn't mean their lives are good.

I know those places are there, we have donated to them for the last 30 years.
badelectronics · July 1, 2020 at 12:27 pm
@ Jim: "Frankly, I don't care whether Trump knew about the alleged bounties. I care about our troops but they took the job knowing they could be put in harm's way. There are larger issues at stake and sometimes the decisions of our presidents are not always going to keep them safe."

I am astonished.
jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 10:02 am
Tony, you're making Sonny's point.

Affordable housing:
Food programs: and
Head Start Programs:
Medical care:
Child care:
Mental Health: https://adaa
Special needs care:
Adoption assistance:

Our local and federal governments are replete with programs for helping low income citizens. And there are plenty of private organizations that can help as well.

But I know that's never good enough. The Left is never satisfied.
Tony Bentley · July 1, 2020 at 9:22 am
Sonny Day - "And there are plenty of ways to prevent a pregnancy, so I will continue to spread my opinions for those unfortunate babies."

Really? And after they are born, then what? Where is the affordable housing for single mothers, where are the food programs, head start programs, medical care, child care, mental health and special needs care, resources toward adoption?

"According to the most recent federal data, there are currently more than 400,000 children in foster care in the United States. They range in age from infants to 21 years old (in some states). The average age of a child in foster care is more than 8 years old, and there are slightly more boys than girls.

Children and youth enter foster care because they have been abused, neglected, or abandoned by their parents or guardians. All of these children have experienced loss and some form of trauma. "

Over 400,000 children in foster care! Why aren't you saying anything about those unfortunate children? Or is it not your problem!
jim goodwin · July 1, 2020 at 8:51 am
badelectronics, notice that no evidence of Trump's knowledge about the bounties was cited in your linked video. So, the message is don't vote for Trump which implicitly means vote for Biden or write in a vote.
If Biden wins, I'm sure you believe you'll be getting what you want. If Dr. Dan Barkhuff believes sending Biden to the white house will fix anything, he's really a Socialist as that is the only explanation for an intelligent person to endorse Biden.

Frankly, I don't care whether Trump knew about the alleged bounties. I care about our troops but they took the job knowing they could be put in harm's way. There are larger issues at stake and sometimes the decisions of our presidents are not always going to keep them safe.

When you find the direct evidence that Putin has compromising info on Trump, we'll talk about it. But until then, shut up with your baseless accusations.
Pete Nowotny · July 1, 2020 at 8:33 am
Yes, vote Trump in November and remember to take back Virginia from democraps.
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