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May 7, 2019 · OPINION

A call for political civility among citizens of Fauquier

By Anne Burhans
Broad Run

We cannot do much about the tenor of political discussion on the national level. But as citizens of Fauquier County we can do something about the level of vitriol, misrepresentation and outright lies in our local elections.

Recently in a letter to the editor, the chairman of the Fauquier Republicans asserted that Democrats support infanticide. At the May 1st Friday event in downtown Warrenton, the Fauquier Republican Committee tent displayed a sign urging voters to avoid socialism by voting Republican.

Both instances are unconscionable distortions of Democratic positions.

The people running in these local elections, whether Democrats, Republicans or independents, are our neighbors, our friends, our fellow Fauquier citizens. Surely we can disagree without becoming disagreeable.

If candidates and their supporters are unable to make a positive case for their election and resort to despicable tactics, then we as citizens must make clear with our votes that these candidates are unacceptable and do not represent who we are in Fauquier.
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Rusty Wheel · May 24, 2019 at 6:00 pm
newt axes?

why object?

they gotta build, too, those newts

whaddever happened to that gingrich fellow?
Tony Bentley · May 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm
I'd like to hear yours first nonewtaxes. You like to opinion like you know everything, so what's your plan? Adjusting the dollar amount of what constitutes the poverty level isn't going to stop poverty, any more then raising the Federal Debt ceiling will make American great again.
nonewtaxes · May 23, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Whats your plan?
Tony Bentley · May 23, 2019 at 8:25 pm
"Since the Federal Reserve’s annual report on household well-being began in 2013, the survey (most recently of more than 11,000 Americans) has become a key measure of whether the benefits of the recovery have reached beyond the upper end of the socioeconomic spectrum.

Although this year’s report painted a positive picture overall, officials said, it identified underlying fragility and exposed pockets of distress.

In line after line, the report lays out the everyday concerns that plague U.S. households. Almost four in 10 people (39 percent) said they wouldn’t be able to scrape together the cash to meet a $400 emergency expense. Even without any sudden expense, about 17 percent of adults said they would miss a payment on at least one bill during the month surveyed.

More than 6 in 10 said losing their job would mean they couldn’t cover three months of expenses, even if they took out loans, sold assets or borrowed from friends and relatives.

Only 36 percent said their retirement savings are on track.

Almost a quarter of Americans skipped some form of medical care in the past year because they couldn’t afford it. Separately, 1 in 5 faced major, unexpected medical bills. About 4 in 10 of those folks were still carrying debt related to those bills."

These aren't "those" people living in the hood or wherever, these are average Americans.
nonewtaxes · May 22, 2019 at 5:51 pm
As I have already explained, I used the word hood because that's what we call the place were generally the poor live, crime is high, drug use is high, teen pregnancy is high, and no one without a gun would walk there at night.

In an earlier generation the term shanty town would be used. Some used "the wrong side of the tracks". Again, as I have said earlier, there has always been a poor section of town and the term used to describe that section of town has changed through the times. Poverty is not a new phenomenon. It endures.

You are unwilling or unable to accept this. I think your not so latent racism blocks you from the truth.

There is one way to get people out of poverty. Adjust the $$ amount that defines poverty. That's the plan right now.

The people who care are the people who are not rich but are paying the bills. Take a person who is working a full time job and making $50,000/yr. Then they read that the buying power of a full trip on welfare (section 8, food stamps, free medical, free pre K, free this and free that) is $75,000/yr. Kinda makes them look stupid. You dont think this is true? Look at PA, OH, and MI. Blue collar workers who have had enough.

Mark House · May 22, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Your are assuming I'm African American, is that it? Is that why you used the term "hood"? I never said there aren't any poor white people, actually there are 17 million whites living in poverty compared to 9 million African Americans, 10.8 million Hispanics, 700,000 Native Americans, and 3.8 disabled of many different backgrounds.

Do nothing, that is your right. No one cares about you and how you feel or think.
nonewtaxes · May 21, 2019 at 6:46 pm
You go to the hood because thats where the poor are. You think the hood is inner city and urban and hip hop? You dont think the hood existed long before hip hop? Your point of view highlights your racism. There has always been a hood. Ever hear of the Chicago fire? You wrongly think there are no poor white people. You think the hood is a new concept. The concept is the same only the name has changed. You claim the word "hood" as ifn you were ever the only poor people.

Yep. I plan to do nothing. The system provides opportunity. If fact, the systems provides a biased opportunity to those people from the hood. They get more points on SAT score not becaused they've earned them but merely because they are from the hood. They are being forced fed opportunity and still they dont take it.

My plan to end poverty is to avoid paying for it so that I dont become part of it. Socialism makes us all equal - equally poor.
Mark House · May 21, 2019 at 3:12 pm

What's YOUR plan to end poverty? Chirp, chirp, nothing. Thought so!
Mark House · May 21, 2019 at 3:10 pm
nonewtaxes - due to the fact that you use an anonymous name you are a nonentity, so how can I make any judgement toward you.

Me racist? You are the one who said I should go to the "hood" and hand out $100 bills. Why would I go to an inner city and hand out money?

Definition of HOOD: Someone who is from an inner city and expresses the essence of urban culture.

"Hood" describes people from the hood who were raised with the hip hop era.
nonewtaxes · May 21, 2019 at 9:30 am
MH, your racist comments refer back to the topic of this opinion piece. Its tough to be civil when faced with racism.

WHy do you think white people do not live in the hood but all other poor people do? You must be a believer of white privilege. IT doesn't exist. Rather than use hood, use shantytown or any other generic name given to that part of town where the poor live.

I don't have a plan to motivate them. Thats not my responsibility -its theirs. At some point in your life you have to take responsibility for your own life. And this is the same reasoning for being anti abortion. We not promising you a great life or a good life but just a chance at life. You make of it what you will. That is the essence of America. The best chance in the world to live the best life you can earn. But if you dont want to earn it, stop stealing it from others who have.

50 years of fighting the war on poverty and trillions of dollars spent but still it exists. You cant change human nature. People who cheat the system not only steal from those who earn a living but also from those who need help.

What's your plan to end poverty? Economic justice? LOL!

Have you ever heard of prejudice? Seems like you might have some. That leads to racism. You definitely have some of that. That leads to the dark side. You ought not to be making judgements about people when you know little about them.

Mark House · May 21, 2019 at 7:46 am
SFC2019 - Only one thing I agree with you on is that employers need to be held accountable for hiring illegal. Let's start with your wonderful Mr. Trump.

nonewtaxes - By your use of the hood, I presume you think most people in poverty are African Americans and other minorities. WHITE citizens make up the largest number at the poverty level, 17 million, almost twice as many African Americans. 3.8 million are the disabled, how do you purpose to make them "get up and go"? We are talking mental/physically handicapped children, wounded vets, old people in wheelchairs. What's your plan to motivate them? Are you God who can heal the lame and sick?

I've given hundreds of dollar bills to help non-profits to help the people that need help. What have you done for your fellow citizen lately but talk out of the side of your mouth?
Savefauquiercounty2019 · May 21, 2019 at 7:10 am
Trillions are being spent on illegals. And No Va now is taking tax payers funds to pay for their legal fees. So, yes, the economy is doing better but the deficit of resources have been overwhelmed with the intentional ramroding of illegals into the USA. Why not go after these countries leaders for their corruption, ineffective leadership.

An entitled candidate running for office in Braddock County, Irma Corado thinks she was entitled to much more after her family came into country illegally when she was 3. SHe states she was treated indifferently but received a free education, free medical care, graduated from UVA. Returned to Guatemala an came back to Fairfax County. She is one of many running for office in No VA bad mouthing the county, residents. She seems to have taken advantage of America. Why doesn't she bad mouth her country of origin?

Another candidate that is really impressive with his entitlements and bad mouthing or President is Delegate Ibraheem Samirah. He calls Trump a bigot by he, himself has his own prejudices with Jews. He stated giving money to Israel is like giving money to the KKK and supports boycotting them. He highlights white nationalists, racists, sexists but doesn't mention anything about the somali war criminal caught in NO VA as a huber driver. Or the MS 13 gangs murdering teens in Fairfax and recruiting middle schoolers.

How about Elizabeth Guzman??? Question her allegiance.

Do you support this organization which apparently considers going against our laws is OK. Because it was on Irma Corado site.
LACOLETIVA. She states for every 100 resident in No VA there is 1 "immigrant" and it is time to pave their way. Really? What about the American homeless?

Start going after the dishonest employers that hire illegals. Why are we supporting these corrupt leaders?

nonewtaxes · May 20, 2019 at 5:48 pm
Why dont you go to the hood and start handing out $100 bills. Then well have 39,900,001 in poverty.

Just because the economy is great doesnt mean everyone gets to be rich. It just means there is more opportunity to improve ones status. You cant force people to have any get up and go. Its even tougher if they know they can get *free* stuff all for nothing.

Keep us posted on yoru progress re $100 bills.

Tony Bentley · May 20, 2019 at 7:51 am
Did you know that is an unsecure website that is one of the highest tracking websites according to Privacy Guardian? Must be the ads that people pay to have on their website.
Cammie Rodgers · May 19, 2019 at 2:36 pm
My point? Obviously you don't get it. 39.7 million Americans live in poverty, yet all anyone talks about is how great the economy is, but has anyone asked those 39.7 million people how they are doing in this GREAT economy?

nonewtaxes · May 19, 2019 at 11:34 am
Do you have a point?
Cammie Rodgers · May 19, 2019 at 8:28 am
nonewtaxes - How about the rest of the country besides your soccer moms? Unemployment rate is at 3.5%, so why isn't the poverty rate less?

"The official poverty rate is 12.3 percent, based on the U.S. Census Bureau's 2017 estimates. That year, an estimated 39.7 million Americans lived in poverty according to the official measure. According to supplemental poverty measure, the poverty rate was 13.9 percent."
Cammie Rodgers · May 18, 2019 at 3:27 pm
"A call for political civility among citizens of Fauquier"

Isn't ever going to happen, so drop it.
nonewtaxes · May 16, 2019 at 11:31 pm
Wage growth, since 2012, has been growing about 50%% more than inflation. Not only are more people working but they are making more money.

Buffett buys Amazon based on the strength of the consumer. Walmart beat earnings today - soccer moms have more money to spend.

If you're not doing better today than 4 years ago maybe the fault is yours. DO yo have some skill set or body of knowledge or is your biggest accomplishment a HS diploma? What do you offer an employer that creates value for the both of you?

Cammie Rodgers · May 16, 2019 at 4:55 pm
"And, I should say, the Democrats are helping him. They are. Take the focus on Russiagate. What’s that all about? I mean, it was pretty obvious at the beginning that you’re not going to find anything very serious about Russian interference in elections. I mean, for one thing, it’s undetectable. I mean, in the 2016 election, the Senate and the House went the same way as the executive, but nobody claims there was Russian interference there. In fact, you know, Russian interference in the election, if it existed, was very slight, much less, say, than interference by, say, Israel. Israel, the prime minister, Netanyahu, goes to Congress and talks to a joint session of Congress, without even informing the White House, to attack Obama’s policies. I mean, that’s dramatic interference with elections. Whatever the Russians tried, it’s not going to be anything like that. And, in fact, there’s no interference in elections that begins to compare with campaign funding. Remember that campaign funding alone gives you a very high prediction of electoral outcome. It’s, again, Tom Ferguson’s major work which has shown this very persuasively. That’s massive interference in elections. Anything the Russians might have done is going to be, you know, peanuts in comparison. As far as Trump collusion with the Russians, that was never going to amount to anything more than minor corruption, maybe building a Trump hotel in Red Square or something like that, but nothing of any significance.

The Democrats invested everything in this issue. Well, turned out there was nothing much there. They gave Trump a huge gift. In fact, they may have handed him the next election. That’s just a—that’s a matter of being so unwilling to deal with fundamental issues, that they’re looking for something on the side that will somehow give political success. The real issues are different things. They’re things like climate change, like global warming, like the Nuclear Posture Review, deregulation. These are real issues."

Noam Chomsky
Mark House · May 16, 2019 at 3:27 pm
I'm tired. Why can't we go back to the years when nothing about the government was in the news every 2 minutes. Pandering to the rich while pounding the poor, great strategy. Lots of jobs out there sure, but people are taking several to make ends meet, and the benefits and pay are not enough to do much even if you have a job. Rents are increasing, cost of groceries and goods are increasing, property taxes are increasing because of services and increased population, gas is going up, buy a car you're talking $25,000 and up, but wages are stagnant.

Proponents of what is happening with our economy keep saying lowest unemployment in 50 years, but have you noticed how so many at their jobs are rude or don't care? We've had so many businesses go out of business, yet the building continues of new structures while the old ones have weeds growing in the parking lot and the windows are boarded up.
Jim Griffin · May 16, 2019 at 9:35 am
An article about the recent Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting. Buffett says he's a Democrat now (though he once ran to be a delegate to the Republican Natl Convention) and Munger declares himself a Republican:

"Berkshire Hathaway’s annual shareholder meeting, taking place today in Omaha, Nebraska, is often likened to a Woodstock festival for capitalists, with parodies of “Empire State of Mind” and “Uptown Funk” praising Berkshire managers blasting over speakers in a packed arena full of khaki pants and zip-up fleece vests."

"It’s not the most likely setting for a call for a stronger social safety net."

"Asked about his thoughts on increasing tensions between capitalist- and socialist-leaning political forces in the US, Berkshire chairman Warren Buffett confirmed himself as a “card-carrying capitalist.” But, he added, “I also think capitalism does involve regulation. It involves taking care of people who are left behind.”

“I think we’re all in favor of some kind of government social safety net in a country as prosperous as ours,” vice chairman Charlie Munger added, saying his greatest objection to social programs was the “enormous stupidity” with which some of them are managed. “I also think it might be better if we did it [expanded the safety net] more liberally,” he added."

"The 95-year-old Munger recently expanded his thoughts on social support in an interview with the Wall Street Journal (paywall). He’s certainly bullish on capitalism, and believes that a certain amount of inequality is an inevitable byproduct of prosperity. But once that prosperity is there, he said, some of it should be invested back into strengthening the society as a whole:

"You’ve got to have individual ownership of a lot of things, with somebody getting and gaining for himself, because otherwise you don’t get the plenty. And the only option you have is to make the social safety net big or small, and you can make it stupid or [you can make it] wise[r], the richer you are."

"In other words, the better your inequality-producing civilization that produces the plenty is, the more you’ve got to put into the social safety net. Now if you get a place like Denmark or Sweden or something, a lot of these modern students would like it better, free education, free medical care and so forth. And if you have to bet, the United States will be way more like Canada pretty soon, in terms of more free education at the university level and more Medicare and some kind of medicine for all. And that we can afford without ruining the productivity of the civilization."

"…. We can afford [a higher minimum wage]. If you make it too high it will be counterproductive but yes, a prosperous civilization can have a higher minimum wage the way it can have a social safety net. Don’t make it too great and you can afford it."
Savefauquiercounty2019 · May 16, 2019 at 8:29 am
Let this story decide your civility. When good men sit and say nothing evil does prevail.
nonewtaxes · May 15, 2019 at 9:37 pm
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

no unruly mob, start of democracy. reason for bill of rights especially right to free speech, right to gather, right to bear arms - those rights needed to uphold the declaration.

Not too shabby for an unruly mob.
nonewtaxes · May 15, 2019 at 9:30 pm
The founding fathers were an unruly mob. Its right there in the declaration of independence. maybe you should read it. Of course it was written by people whose name are now being dragged through the mud so you may have to use for it.

They be a big difference between a little bit of help and help that has been 2/3 of the budget for 50 years.

Some of them responsible people aint responsible on purpose. The government taxes them and then tranfers that wealth. That transfer buys too many votes to ever go away.

jimmy wants to help. he just wants to help with other peoples money. I still aint received no money from him.

Mark House · May 15, 2019 at 6:42 pm
"...that having it handed to you WASN'T a good way to develop character."
Mark House · May 15, 2019 at 6:39 pm
HMMM, seeing how I served in the military during the first Persian Gulf conflict, don't know about that snowflake stuff. I just don't plan on taking up arms right here in my neighborhood, sounds rather like an unruly mob sort of thinking.

I was brought up that you had to work for what you received, that having it be handed to you was a good way to develop character. So no, nothing is free, no matter what someone tell you. It costs someone somewhere, generally the responsible people in our society. It costs the one needing it their pride.

No everyone getting help is a moocher, sometimes life throws you a curve ball, tell me nonewtaxes, have you NEVER needed a little help, sometime in your life? Didn't anyone give you a break even though you may not have deserved it? this pretty much explains what is happening to our political system in 10 minutes. Forget Russia, the problem lies right here in our country, in plain view.
nonewtaxes · May 15, 2019 at 4:22 pm
Well ifn you are so interested in democracy you should take up arms. Says so in the Declaration. When the gov no longer serves the people its your responsibilty to make a change.

That there is the hook aint it? Responsibility! Progressives only know it as a dictionary entry but not as a character trait.

Cant afford medical insurance cuase you make minimum wage becuase you have no skill or education? Progressives say *free* medical for all. Cant keep your legs closed? Progressives say get abortion. Somebody get shot with gun? Stop the gun but do not assign responsibility to the person.

And that there is why we all never have to worry about progressive takeover. You all aint got no grit. Grit is the stuff we used to irritate you all. Sooner or later all snowflakes melt.

Mark House · May 15, 2019 at 2:08 pm
HAHAH - SCOTUS has been bought and paid for by the Republicans.

nonewtaxes - you whine like a old gear in need of oil.
nonewtaxes · May 15, 2019 at 9:28 am
Cant step all over the constitution. scotus wont allow it. you cry like a little girl
Mark House · May 14, 2019 at 8:15 pm
nonewtaxes - Jim Jones would be so proud. Trump is stepping all over the Constitution just like he stepped all over the 10 Commandments.
nonewtaxes · May 14, 2019 at 7:03 pm
More hot air. I do believe our beloved obama lost more supreme court cases than any other president in history. that means he was trying to go around the law. he was liken to a dictatorship except the scotus had to slap him down. oh yeah, he spied or allowed spying to occur, probably, to his party's opponent.

The trump administration:
lower taxes = better economy
less regulation = better economy
tariffs china = if you dont stop them now when will you do it?

I guess you think the last two scotus justices were not labeled strict constituionalist. It might be liberal justices that undermine the constitution by creating law rather than interpreting how the law wrote by congress fits with the constitution.

Thats my argument for how trump is keeping the constitution valid. What points do you have against? Any? Or are you just a lot of hot air also?

Were are we heading? still a two party system like 100 years ago. One person one vote just like 100 years ago. Many more minorities in politics and management than ever before. However, if you look at the federal budget you'll find much more spent on wealth transfer (socialism) than at any other time in the history of the country.

I dont know what ever you look at but it seems clear you dont look at the facts or if you do you dont understand what you see.

You cant change the facts just because you dont like them.

Tony Bentley · May 14, 2019 at 8:21 am
nonewtaxes - you perfectly described the Trump administration and it's work toward destroying democracy and undermining the Constitution. It's time you realized that we are headed toward a dictatorship not a socialist nation.
nonewtaxes · May 13, 2019 at 8:10 pm
"Wriggle, squirm, deflect, insult -- all wearing a hood." Must be the mirror you are into looking.

I think you writhe and wail each and every day Trump is president. You lash out in anger unable to defend progressive policies in the face of staggering evidence that makes only all too clear the failed people behind them.

Your progressive policies would raise taxes, open borders, surrender the world to the Chinese, and much much more. It utterly destroys the theory and embarrasses the practices of progressive socialist policies to see the opposite policies in action.

Low taxes and low regulation has enabled the best economy in 50 years.

Unlike me though, you are not a disgrace to your side. You are the epitome of it. You bathe in self-righteousness. You are intolerant and arrogant. You are embraced by the collective of like minded and small minded people.
And when faced with facts you resort to personal attacks. You are a snotty little child. It time you go to Time Out.
Cammie Rodgers · May 13, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Our property taxes just went up $46 per year. All this bickering (and the media news circus by Trump and Company) is a cover for worse things coming to the American people. Old saying, "Mark my words."
Jim Griffin · May 13, 2019 at 10:33 am
By law, insurance is a fortuity, else it is not truly insurance.

You disgrace good conservatives, embarrass local Republicans.

I know, they tell me, even apologizing that they are not all like you, who writhes and wails while accomplishing truly nothing. You are on the losing side of every policy discussion. If your goal is nonewtaxes you haven't achieved anything for as long as you've been soiling these pages.

Wriggle, squirm, deflect, insult -- all wearing a hood.

I like conservatives and Republicans. We need a check and balance in Virginia, but winning statewide elections is now a thing of the distant past.

I live with Trump, did not vote for HRC, am not surprised to watch him destroy his party.

Fortunately, this will rebuild and recycle over time the checks and balances a two-party system has to offer.
nonewtaxes · May 13, 2019 at 10:24 am
No numbers? Just a lot of hot air.

So all insurance is a lottery?

Twisting words again jimmy? You are the one who thinks things are free. You think the free clinic is free? You think free college is free?

You know the cost of nothing and the value of nothing neither. More so, you talk a whole lot but understand very little.

Remember too that Trump is a democractically elected politician. Live with it.

Your insults reveals your lack of character.
Your word twisting reveals your lack of truth.

I still waiting for my check. Its a real good deal for you. You send check directly to me. No middleman. Super cheap. What you waiting for? Its free jimmy. doesnt cost you a thing
Jim Griffin · May 12, 2019 at 10:15 pm
Direct provision brings cost control third-party payment lacks, especially with preventative care (shots etc) and quick care. They aren't doing surgery over there, but county workers get pro-active health care on an expedited cost-conservative basis.

Health is a fortuity, the expense of care a randomized lottery.

That you want or think anything is free is sophistry, confirming only that you know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. This is a community that embraces democracy, these are its democratically-made decisions -- in other words, the choices of fiscally-conservative Republicans. Live with it.

The incessant personal insults reveal your character.
nonewtaxes · May 12, 2019 at 10:05 pm
You must had been a professor of babble.

Show me that the clinic reduces costs.

What's a healthcare lottery?

Anyway, I want free. When do you start sending the checks?
Jim Griffin · May 11, 2019 at 4:57 pm
End the county-run clinic and your taxes will pay more without the inherent savings. Republican leaders approve.

Health-care lotteries like ours are unfair for everyone involved.

There isn't much of a market for many health care choices -- how do you bargain from an emergency room bed? Discretionary procedures afford the luxury of shopping around more, but generally insurance companies restrict the limited choices available in each market (provided you can wait and bargain). Fall off a bicycle, hit your head a bit and the bill after tests/scans and three hours in the hospital can hit six figures.

Besides, if you don't pay they pass the costs on to others. As a result, it's not if society pays, it's how we pay -- and preventative pro-active care is a better value than after-the-face reactive care. The former comes in the form of clinics like that run by county for its employees.

Third-party payment systems are the problem -- so long as the third-party pays, there is little incentive to shop carefully. Direct care resolves this.

Government supports markets in many ways. Airlines use govt airports, vehicles use govt-built roads. Employee training comes compliments of govt schools. Govt determines land use for housing, water/sewer hookups. Wired and wireless broadband needs rights of way (which is why Trump used the hand of govt to spur 5G) -- wireless requires govt allocated public airwaves. Copyright, patent, trademarks -- these all rely on govt assignment of rights. Etc.

"Let the suckers work" requires govt to enable investment in Intellectual Property and the other above examples. Absent these rights the jobs and investments dry up and go where they are enabled, enforced, respected.

Ultimately, the Federal Reserve Bank determines the markets and capital allocation. You cannot spend or allocate money the govt does not print; without govt management of the supply it would prove worthless.

And without national defense, police, fire and related services we would be mired in worse trouble.

You are proof pseudonymous comments carry less credibility. I'd contribute to a collection for the therapy puppy you clearly need, but your willingness to assign LSD use to others proves only your apparent familiarity with it.
nonewtaxes · May 10, 2019 at 10:27 pm
Yup. End the county run clinic.

Why is the current system unfair? Because JG says so? Unfair? Its only unfair to those who have to pay for it. After JG, you should be old enough to know nothing is free.

If you think "free" healthcare is sane. You probably think free college is sane too. People have a "right" for the government to educate them.

I agree with you JG. I've just been struck by a bolt of lightning and now I see the light. I like free stuff. Where do I sign up for the free stuff?
Just let me know brother so that I can stop working. I'm such a fool for working to provide for my family. Please show me the way to free virvana. Let the suckers work.

I want free house. I want free food. I want free car. I want free phone. I want free healthcare. I want free college. I want a paid vacation. These are all basic human needs and rights. I want my free stuff now. If I dont get the free stuff I want a therapy puppy so I can cope.

You claim to support free markets but you support government healthcare.
You claim to support free markets but you support government housing.
You claim to support free markets but you support government broadband.

Seriously, why does the name of the messenger matter but the message does not? You try to belittle the comments any mous commenters because they are any mous with little regard to the message. I submit to you that 1+1=2 whether stated by John Doe or JG. You, of course, would argue that John Doe has not any credibility because he is John Doe.

It sounds as if your therapy puppy comes with LSD. Was that free too?
Jim Griffin · May 10, 2019 at 10:04 am
When I "copy/paste" it is attributed with a link, bare minimum in quotes. I detest plagiarism for obvious reasons.

As regards medical care, anyone gets whatever they need at the emergency room (as current law requires). I want the hospital paid on a fair basis and would prefer more preventative care as it's a saner fiscal policy, just as our county runs a clinic for county employees. Does that make this county socialist? No, it represents sound, conservative financial judgment.

Congressmen, senators, government employees, military and ex-military -- it's not socialist to recognize the need for sane health care policy. The current system is unfair and unsound policy.
nonewtaxes · May 10, 2019 at 9:52 am
Is a move to free medical care for all a move towards socialism or not? Is this not the platform of progressives?

JG, master of the copy paste, should just copy paste the proposed bill and then the facts will be out. aint hard to due.

Jim Griffin · May 9, 2019 at 10:50 pm

The irony is rich. Civility is the topic, you wanted to discuss underlying issues (redundant, covered elsewhere) and when we do discuss issues you write the conversation "has gone sideways and far afield. ... I stated originally that a flame war was not my goal. Please do not try to create one."

Which was the point to my response. Be careful what you ask for -- you just might get it, and you did, and now you complain -- but still will not explain how neither you nor the teachers you claim to have consulted for logical sentence structure can understand the difference between encouraging commenting and agreeing with comments.
Jim Griffin · May 9, 2019 at 10:38 pm

1. Unions must be, should be one-sided. Like attorneys, they have a legal duty to their members/clients to serve their interests.

2. Hispanic associations? Protected by freedom of association in the First Amendment. Legal immigrants have equal rights and illegal immigrants are entitled to due process and more. It's the constitution, which also protects the right to be a Democratic Socialist -- or whatever party you choose.

3. Illegal immigrants have taxes withheld they cannot claim through refunds resulting in billions of income annually for our government.

4. BTW, senior citizens work, too, and appreciate a higher minimum wage when they do. While I do not personally like minimum wage laws -- I prefer wages negotiated with employees and/or their unions -- if we're going to have them they should be appropriate to the times and rate of inflation.

5. Your false claim that Democrats don't want illegals vetted is untrue. They funded the ICE budget (it cannot be funded without Democrats voting for it).

Again, you are uncivil and worse. You made false accusations about me and have never retracted them. You engage in libel and slander:

"Jim, go back to the first grade. Read. Omar married her brother. Are you drunk again? I never said Guzman. You must be high.
Read how Guzman supports these antisemitics such as Samariah, Omar etc.
Anyone that supports immigrants before American workers or illegals is anti business."

Clear your pseudonymous head: 1. I am well-educated (a college professor), neither drunk nor high. 2. Legal immigrants have equal rights to jobs with what you call "Americans." 3. Omar did not marry her brother.

Respect the constitution. Stop libeling and slandering others.
Jim Griffin · May 9, 2019 at 10:11 pm

Seriously? You cannot parse the distinction between the act of commenting and the content of comments? It's obvious.

Answer the questions? Why deflect?

My answers are clear and on the record.
Savefauquiercounty2019 · May 9, 2019 at 6:45 pm
Distortions?The Democrat Socialists of America is a national organization with chapters in Fredericksburg and Charlottesville.

Democrats don't want vetting of illegals, twist that these folks are undocumented as tho they nor their dishonest employers are breaking laws. While in No Virginia huge tax funds are being used for illegal legal fees while you shove abuse of funds down our throats and our teachers salaries have not risen to equate the increased cost of living or equitable to other professionals salaries.

Huge Hispanic associations are fighting against ICE, in Culpeper college admissions of illegals were being pushed thru illegally.

Democrats play by their own set of rules and do not obey laws.

What are your plans for senior citizens when min wage doubles? The price if living will increase too.

If obamadontcare was so great, why are you pushing Medicare for all?
When you speak about distortion, you democrats call republicans racists.

Socialists and their political unions are one sided. If this isn't exploiting employees, what is?

JustCurious · May 9, 2019 at 5:15 pm
The conversation has gone sideways and far afield.
I can't get an answer to two simple questions - the replies are worthy of politicians at a press conference (ask whatever you want but my answer will be what I want to say regardless of relevance to the question).
Only one option: the final flight control/the Martin-Baker approach:
Mark House · May 9, 2019 at 5:01 pm
JohnnyD - "The final tab for former President Obama's eight years of family travel to ski resorts, beaches and European cities has finally come in and the bill is $99,714,527.82." Over EIGHT YEARS.

Trump has surpassed that 3 times over in 2 1/2 years. Latest count $304,000,000. Plus the much of the money is going to HIS businesses. "For example, On May 4, Judicial Watch released Air Force One pricing records showing that just two trips to Mar-a-Lago cost $1,281,420."

You stated: "I just want this country to remain a free constitutional republic, not a government controlled socialist hole like Venezuala or Cuba, where the rich, ruling elite get wealthier and the rest of us fight for survival." Too late, this is the scenario already happening in the USA! The 1% are winning.

I completely agree that all elected officials be held to the same standards. There needs to be a cap on Presidential spending for non-government reasons.

Obama IS NOT a Muslim, you are spreading propaganda again.
brandonj · May 9, 2019 at 10:30 am
Division is a tool of the oligarchs. Financialization is the reason for the "economic prosperity" statistics. This trend was precipitated and maintained by the opaque Federal Reserve, which contains members from both parties mind you. We should all debate issues and focus less on defending these false tribal identities at the national level.
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