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January 13, 2021 · OPINION

Supervisor Trumbo shows “true courage, patriotism”

By Kathy Kadilak
The Plains

“The opposite for courage is not cowardice, it is conformity. Even a dead fish can go with the flow.” – John Hightower, NFL player, Philadelphia Eagles

This quote feels particularly appropriate and perhaps even too forgiving when I think of the large numbers of Republicans who continue to “go with the flow” in their support for Donald Trump and the elected officials who have aligned themselves with him, even in the face of his outrageous lies and inciting a mob attack on our Capitol.

It was with gratitude and admiration that I read the recent letter by Fauquier County Board of Supervisors member Holder Trumbo (Scott District) in announcing his disassociation from the Republican Party. His explanation was clear, articulate and painfully heartfelt.

He apologizes for his own role in stating, “I am disappointed in myself, the president and a party that appears to me to be more about its own preservation than standing up for what is right. I have assisted in the enabling of this and I recognize that I have been wrong.”

He emphasizes that his core values have not changed, but “I believe that people should free themselves from such blind allegiance. Seek facts and the truth that they reveal rather than selecting random information from dubious sources as support for preconceived notions.”

Mr. Trumbo concludes with stating that elected officials are there to serve their constituents and not themselves.

Mr. Trumbo has demonstrated that there are still elected officials who place country over party and who truly represent the ideals upon which our nation and its democracy were established. He exemplifies the honorable, dedicated public servant we need now more than ever.

I want to publicly thank Mr. Trumbo for showing true courage and patriotism during this critical juncture for our country.
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PabloCruz · January 21, 2021 at 2:55 pm
This will be my last post on FN. I wanted to leave you with a few simple logic puzzles. They are either valid or invalid.

(1) Donald is a Trump. All Trumps are from NY. Therefore, Donald is from NY. Valid or invalid?

(2) When Jared is on-stage, Ivanka is on-stage. Jared is not on-stage. Therefore, Ivanka is not on-stage. Valid or invalid?

(3) Lindsay Graham said Trump is a crazy kook. Everything Lindsay Graham says is a lie. Therefore, Trump is not a crazy kook.
Valid or invalid?

An expert witness once told me, “whenever someone tells you something, consider the source”
Logic and discipline are the way to truth.
Good luck.
jim goodwin · January 21, 2021 at 8:21 am
Also, I apologize for posting the link to an article that requires your email in order to read it. I already subscribe and forgot that it requires that.
jim goodwin · January 21, 2021 at 8:11 am
Here's an essential excerpt from the article below:

That’s not to say these ideologies are openly advocating totalitarianism but rather that they inevitably lead to it.

The roadmap could be summarized as follows:

1. There’s something fundamentally and intolerably wrong with current reality
2. There’s a plan to fix it requiring a whole society buy-in
3. People opposing the plan need to be educated about the plan so they accept it
4. People who resist the persuasion need to be reeducated, even against their will
5. People who won’t accept the plan no matter what need to be removed from society.

“I think that’s the general thrust,” Lindsay said. “We can make the world the way we want it to be if we all just get on the same page and same project. It’s a disaster, frankly.”

Points four and five now appear to be in progress.
jim goodwin · January 21, 2021 at 8:05 am
If the 1776 Commission report is too partisan for you, this article, SOURCED FROM LIBERALS, still says essentially what I've been saying:

Ideological Alignment Pushing America Toward Totalitarianism, Experts Warn

https://www.theepochtimes.com/one-party-rule-ideological-nexus-of-big-tech-big-media-big-government-is-totalitarianism-experts-say_3664663.html

I know Epoch Times has been touted here and elsewhere as a far right-wing news source but that's merely a way for the left to further their control of the orthodoxy. So, maybe, just this once, we can discuss the content and not the source.
karl engels · January 21, 2021 at 7:59 am
Liberals absolutely are not the conscience of the political realm, and even you stating that is an acknowledgement that modern day conservatism is just a game of trying to own the lib which I mean when you put that over human rights it really makes you look like a dick ya know. Those generations you’re referring to you’re apart of Jim you geriatric moron, you are literally describing the baby boomers so go ahead and keep proving me right
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 9:52 pm
Pablo, I apologize if you did not use the racism and white supremacy claims. I've seen it here so often. I didn't verify in relation to your posts.

With respect to your #2, my point, and the point of the 1776 Commission report is America is great BECAUSE the points I raised are a part of HISTORY; they existed in the past. We have overcome those issues as a nation. Yes, some people had to be dragged along kicking and screaming (southern Democrats). But for a party, and an ideology, that is consumed with outcomes, it seems mighty disingenuous to claim the current outcome (our present as the least racist and most racially diverse country on earth) is the product of systemic racism and white supremacy (not Pablo's claims).

Demosthenes, I credit liberals as being the conscience of the political realm. That's not to say that conservatives aren't conscientious. They absolutely are. Liberalism is, or was, based in liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. But leftism crept in an corrupted everything, drawing all politics much farther left than it ever used to be. It used to be understood that there was a certain base morality required of a free people; in order to be free, one must be self governing. In my estimation, as liberalism became co-opted by the left, the idea of self governing was trampled in favor of freedom from moral constraints (sex, drugs and rock-n-roll). The reason we are so divided is because we now have a generations of people that have little regard for self government, which conflicts with the founding ideals of this nation.
JohnQ · January 20, 2021 at 9:23 pm
Malcolm X was a Muslim minister and human rights activist. Born in 1925, he met his death at the hands of an assassin in 1965. Malcolm X was a courageous advocate for black civil rights. Malcom X famously stated the following:

"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man."
Demosthenes · January 20, 2021 at 8:44 pm
Love that list of progress made regarding civil rights by liberals* over the decades written out by Goodwin. Makes me glad I'm not one of those conservatives trying to work against or undo any of that progress.

*Liberals are hard to easily ID in history. Back in the Civil War the Republicans were the liberal party. That switched over time, can't remember from history class why. And yes, liberal Democrats and Rinos (as Goodwin likes to deride them) have also made positive changes in the 20th century.
PabloCruz · January 20, 2021 at 8:33 pm
JimGoodwin-(1) Your imagination is running away with you. Please quote where I claimed that Americans are "so racist" and "supreme." Those word were never written by me.

(2)By posing your questions, you are exposing the factual racist history of this country, because of course if all people were granted equal rights, many of these racist laws would not have needed to be overturned.

You asked about interracial marriage. Recall that it was illegal for blacks and whites to have sex or to get married. Remember the Loving v. Virginia case, which was decided in the supreme court in 1967, recent history to be sure. Even after the supreme court decision, many states refused to observe the decision; Alabama being the last state to remove the language from it's state constitution in the year 2000.

Your referenced the civil war. Lets not forget that Jim Crow lasted from 1877 until 1965, 88 years of codifying racial segregation. Did you forget about separate waiting rooms, drinking fountains, bathrooms, bus seating, schooling, lunch counters, etc? The Civil Rights Act was necessary to overturn the racist Jim Crow laws. You deny a history of systemic racism. Jim Crow IS systemic racism. Have you ever heard of Levittown, NY? One of America's first suburbs where no blacks were allowed to live. Again, systemic racism. Ever heard of red-lining? You guessed it, more systemic racism.

This isn't about leftist orthodoxy, as you claim. It's just accepting history for what it is.
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 7:53 pm
I know, Pablo. I understand that the portion you quoted falls short of the type of genuflecting required to temporarily appease the left's bottomless appetite for fealty. Leftist orthodoxy only permits you to judge the past by today's standards. It's just not possible for you to acknowledge that America was way ahead of its time in its desire to end slavery.

If white Americans are so racist (and supreme, as you like to claim), why was slavery abolished and why is it not in practice today in America? Why did so many white Americans fight and die to end it? Why did the Civil Rights Amendment pass with the overwhelming support of white Republican politicians? Why do the vast majority of white and black Americans get along just fine? Why are there interracial marriages? Why did we elect a black president? Why are there rich black people?

Oh, and why DIDN'T the evil, white, slave-holding, founding patriarchy explicitly add an amendment to protect from government infringement the rights of citizens to keep slaves? Why did they instead choose to leave it out completely, other than to prevent its expansion via the 3/5ths clause? Hmmm...crafty bastards.

The constant cry of systemic racism and white supremacy holds no answers to those questions.
PabloCruz · January 20, 2021 at 5:44 pm
JimGoodwin- I tried to read the 1776 document, it was one of the most dreadful reads I can remember. It's patriarchal, condescending drivel. I couldn't white-wash history better if I threw a bucket of white paint on it.

Here's just one example of one of hundreds of examples:
"Many Americans labor under the illusion that slavery was somehow a uniquely American evil...but the unfortunate fact is that the institution of slavery has been more the rule than the exception throughout human history."

Wow, justification through normalization. Never heard that before.

The 1776 Commission report is not scholarship, it's trash, and was appropriately discarded by the new administration.

jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 5:19 pm
Oh, darn! In anticipation of the coming hate speech laws, let me correct myself...President Harris and THEIR puppet, VP Biden.
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 5:15 pm
Linda - Yes. Let's move on. I haven't been talking about Trump for a while. I currently stand ready to oppose all the globalist, socialist policies that are coming from President Harris and her puppet, VP Biden. C'mon, man!
jpebbets · January 20, 2021 at 4:55 pm
To employ a tactic from Jim’s dear leaders’ orange playbook ... Jim “no brain” Goodwin is a pathetic loser. I’ve heard some people say that. I don’t know much about it but that’s whAt I hear. Some pretty important people say that from what I’m told.
jpebbets · January 20, 2021 at 4:43 pm
Jim. You are a true fox “let’s poison democracy” news parrot. Keep up the good work
Linda Ward · January 20, 2021 at 3:44 pm
jim - Trump is now an EX-POTUS and in his case a has been, no longer King, in exile in Florida. He now can rule from his golden throne while taking a dump for himself. Get over it like you all said in 2016.
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 3:24 pm
Predictably, Biden deleted the 1776 Commission Report from whitehouse.gov immediately upon taking office. So here it is, preserved by people who ACTUALLY care about our republic:

https://www.scribd.com/document/491497694/Final-Report-The-President-s-Advisory-1776-Commission

Please feel free inform Carol Swain that she's a white supremacist for contributing to the effort.
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 8:56 am
"The Declaration of Independence is the ring-bolt to the chain of your nation’s destiny; so, indeed, I regard it. The principles contained in that instrument are saving principles. Stand by those principles, be true to them on all occasions, in all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost."
-- Frederick Douglass
jim goodwin · January 20, 2021 at 8:52 am
Right, hypocrisy2021! Exactly.

I'm criticizing Democrats for their policies. I'm criticizing Democrats because we have decades of demonstrable evidence that their policies don't work and infringe our our natural rights. I'm expressing my dissent from and opposition to, for example, the Democrat lie that this country is systemically racist, therefore I am racist. I criticize Pablo and Karl for perpetuating that lie and others, not for expressing their dissent.

Democrats and RINOs vote for Democrat policies. That puts them in a group of people that believe enough of the same things that the group is worthy of criticism. I think that's a helluva lot more fair than believing 74 million Republican voters are insurrectionists because a few hundred people, who may or many not have voted Republican, stormed the Capitol. Storming the Capitol is not a Republican policy. No Republican leaders said, "Storm the Capitol, fight with and injure Capitol Police, bust in, break stuff up, steal stuff.

Do Republicans agree with EVERY Trump policy? Probably not. But we agree with the bulk of his policies. POLICIES! NOT TWEETS!

hypocrisy2021 · January 20, 2021 at 7:10 am
#9: Jim Goodwin recently wrote in support of the 1776 commission, and included a quote from it stating that our love of country must be “strong and unsentimental enough to coexist with the elements of disappointment, criticism, dissent, opposition, and even shame that come with moral maturity.” But Jim has also claimed that all democrats are unpatriotic haters for their criticism of America, and even within the same day he was ranting against users Pablo and Karl for demonstrating some dissent and moral maturity. Is this guy incapable of self-reflection?
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 7:37 pm
Pablo, you just criticized me for using a tactic by using the same tactic; insulting me, calling me a liar, desparate and dishonest! Hilarious!

Tony, hardly worth addressing because the 1776 Commission report addresses all of this far more articulately than I can. You should read it and get a different perspective for once because all that critical race theory junk has run its course. It has been weighed, measured and found wanting.
JohnQ · January 19, 2021 at 5:28 pm
Presentism | Definition of Presentism by Merriam-Websterwww.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › presentism

Dec 19, 2020 — Presentism definition is - an attitude toward the past dominated by present-day attitudes and experiences.
Tony Bentley · January 19, 2021 at 2:55 pm
jim sees America through rose-colored glasses made specifically for the conquerors. Any other fact is not worth his notice or consideration.

This country has a lot to answer for in terms of human rights and the abuses suffered by many not included in the grand scheme of domination of the "natives and savages" for the greater good of the "supreme" race.

I love my country yet cannot love the things its citizens have done in the name of greed, power, and control. I feel the same way about other countries all over the world.
PabloCruz · January 19, 2021 at 1:37 pm
Another tactic JimGoodwin, and others like him, use is to go on offense with a hail of insults, lies, etc. in order to force others who don’t agree with him/them into a defensive posture.

His comments below are a perfect example of this tactic. Imagine all the wasted energy it would take to defend oneself from all that nonsense.

I’ll admit, it’s an effective tactic if you don’t recognize when it’s being used against you.
Desperate and dishonest, but effective.
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 1:17 pm
Pablo, you clearly have not read the 1776 Commission report either.

Maybe if we'd quit judging our ancestors by 2021 standards, we'd actually learn something valuable.

America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and you and Karl, having partaken of its bounty, now spit on it with the full knowledge that it can't retaliate, regardless of your opposition to it.

I fully support the message in the 1776 Commission Report. I refuse to accept the divisive, racist, identity politics being forced on us by the left, Progressives and Democrats.
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 12:59 pm
The 1619 Project IS revisionist history (yet another attempt at projection). I know very well what it is and I know why Donald Trump created the 1776 Commission. The 1619 Project is another in a long line of attempts by Marxists to portray America as evil with the intent of breaking down our sense of national identity (or what little is left of it).
Neoconfederate? That's a new one. Is that supposed to be another attempt to portray me as a white supremacist? To somehow link my beliefs with those of the confederacy?
Everything you say tells me you support Marxism, down to your user name.
PabloCruz · January 19, 2021 at 12:56 pm
JimGoodwin is using the classic “the ends justify the means” approach to history.

Did you ever stop to ask yourself why we have a national holiday to honor of an Italian explorer, sailing under the Spanish flag, who never actually landed in what is now known as America?

And what of the native people, to whom unmeasurable harm and genocide was wrought, by and because of this individual?

Are their feelings of hurt relevant, when they are forced to celebrate this individual in schools across the country?

Are native people today required to accept that the centuries of oppression and suffering endured by their people were somehow “worth it” because the American ideal is superior to theirs?

Teaching history isn’t about imparting affection for a certain version of history. It’s about being brave enough to accept facts for what they are, and open enough to understand their greater historical context. That’s not anti-American, it’s
intellectual honesty.
karl engels · January 19, 2021 at 12:14 pm
The 1776 commission was created by Donald Trump as a means of illegitimizing the writings of the 1619 project, a study done on the early days of black people on American soil (stolen land) headed by an African American writer. So excuse me if my knee jerk criticism of the neoconfederate propaganda machine that you hold so dearly may have been too crude
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 11:12 am
Karl, the last several years have shown that outrage culture has become fashionable. We have a legion of people that are now addicted to the endorphin rush of claiming moral superiority through virtue signaling.

Ridicule is a tactic of the left. It is all they have because they lack wisdom.

Your knee-jerk criticism of the 1776 Commission is what is uneducated and naive. It is simply informed by leftist dogma. You don't care about the content and you can't refute it without the bastardized leftist definition of "white supremacy" and a projected claim of revisionism.
karl engels · January 19, 2021 at 9:49 am
The 1776 commission is white supremacist, revisionist, dog shit tailored to the uneducated who have an extremely naive world view
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 8:49 am
I particularly like this passage from the 1776 Commission report, where they describe the kind of love for America that needs to be fostered in our educational systems:

"The love we are talking about is something different from romantic or familial love, something that cannot be imposed by teachers or schools or government edicts, least of all in a free country. Like any love worthy of the name, it must be embraced freely and be strong and unsentimental enough to coexist with the elements of disappointment, criticism, dissent, opposition, and even shame that come with moral maturity and open eyes. But it is love all the same, and without the deep foundation it supplies, our republic will perish."
jim goodwin · January 19, 2021 at 8:45 am
karl engels, you have no idea what you're talking about. Your assertion lacks any evidence and if you were to provide any, I can almost guarantee it would be with twisted logic and twisted definitions, or simply with assertions of guilt by association.

For folks that still have open minds, I'll direct you to the 1776 Commission report:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Presidents-Advisory-1776-Commission-Final-Report.pdf

karl engels · January 19, 2021 at 7:54 am
Jim you don’t hate marxists you hate black peoole,
jim goodwin · January 18, 2021 at 6:21 pm
Demosthenes, last point first. The BLM you know and love was founded by avowed Marxists. There are plenty of people that act out Marxist doctrine without claiming to be Marxist or even knowing that their actions or beliefs are rooted in Marxism. Many of them were marching and rioting. And as I said, it has evolved. It has modernized.

If you want to stick your head in the sand and deny that subversion and indoctrination have been taking place for the last 60+ years that's your prerogative. But I'd wager there are hundreds of thousands of people that have been influenced, directly or indirectly, by the drivel that came out of the Frankfurt School.

The thing is, I have listened to many interviews of people who have come to the US to escape socialist/communist countries. Every single one sees the exact patterns of behavior playing out here that they saw in the countries they left. Every one of them expressed their disappointment in Americans who embrace those patterns.

With respect to Hollywood...for an industry that reveres the almighty buck, they sure do give a lot of lip service to social justice issues. They care, just not that much, I guess. Regardless of their motivations, the outcome is the same. They are giving tacit support to the CCP. It seems the mainstream media might be doing the same.
Demosthenes · January 18, 2021 at 11:58 am
We all know Goodwin loves a crazy conspiracy. But check out his latest. Earlier today he wrote / implied that Hollywood does not make any movies critical of Communist China because it is filled with communist sympathizers.

Like most conspiracy theories this one has an easy but less exciting explanation. The truth is that Hollywood has actually been infiltrated by Capitalists, who want to make as much money as possible.

That's right, Hollywood execs know that a decent American-made film can pick up a few hundred million extra dollars if it gets to play in China. After all, capitalism in China has recently led more than a billion people out of poverty and heading to movie theaters.

a great example of this was the re-make of Red Dawn. It was initially filmed as a modern Chinese invasion of the US, but then MGM execs forced the director to re-recorded the audio with Korean language in place of the Chinese and swapped out Chinese for North Korean flags, so that it could be sold instead as a film about bad North Koreans. I don't think the film ever played in China, but MGM was able to protect it's relationship with the Chinese government for other film releases.

Welcome to the 21st century Goodwin. We appreciate that you continue fighting the battles of the 20th century, but you'd be hard-pressed today to find more than a few true Marxists in China, let alone the good old US of A.
hypocrisy2021 · January 18, 2021 at 8:55 am
#8: Jim Goodwin claims that over-generalization is a huge mistake but he does so in the same posting in which he makes huge over-generalizations about all democrats. LMFAO.

Keep in mind Jimbo the hypocrisy account is mostly calling out individuals here on Fauquiernow who contradict themselves. We can all point out problems in either political party. But I’m here for you and others who don’t see their own hypocrisy.
jim goodwin · January 18, 2021 at 8:52 am
"The Justice department and intelligence community acknowledged Russian attempts at election interference. There is zero evidence that this was motivated by anyone in Obamas administration. Trumps own words during the campaign turned additional Russian resources into focusing on cyber-espionage."
So, Trump jokingly suggested maybe Russia could find Hillary's missing emails. Horrific!
The FBI, Justice Dept and the intelligence community, under the Obama administration knowingly used the fake dossier, fabricated by the Hillary Clinton campaign, to initiate the collusion investigation. All of this is fully documented.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/dni-john-ratcliffe-john-brennan-disinformation/2020/10/06/id/990667/

That their motivations were political is conjecture but one would have to be a fool not to see it.


jim goodwin · January 18, 2021 at 8:31 am
#10: Democrats claim to love America. Then they claim openly to want to fundamentally change it. I dare you to turn to your spouse, whom you profess to love, and tell them you want to fundamentally change them!

#11: Democrats claim to believe in the constitution and swear in their oath of office to uphold it. Then they violate the constitution in six ways in order to hold another sham impeachment.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/constitutional-alan-dershowitz-free-speech-violations/2021/01/16/id/1005883/

#12: Generalizing is a logical fallacy but our intellectual elites (including right here on this forum) use generalizations far too frequently. For example, some people killed by police are black therefore all police are racist. Some "Trump supporters" stormed the Capitol building therefore all Trump supporters are insurrectionists (or terrorists or white supremacists, take your pick).


Take the bananas out of your ears and learn about Marxist-Leninist tactics. Open your eyes to how the tactics have evolved from how they are described in this 1984 interview with Yuri Bezmenov. Don't restrict your understanding of the perpetrators to Soviet infiltrators; expand your understanding to include not only the Chinese but ordinary Americans (useful idiots), most of whom have been manipulated into action based on "compassion." As an aside, have you ever noticed there are no mainstream movies critical of the Chinese Communist Party? Hmmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgmg2VFX058

And yes, I'm aware that the person that posted that instance of the video appears to have a problem with Jews, based on their comments. That person has nothing to do with the content of the video.
hypocrisy2021 · January 18, 2021 at 7:35 am
#7: Savefauquiercounty repeatedly wrote in the fall about BLM being “another organization filled with terrorists” when adding opinions under articles about black lives matter protesters making peaceful gatherings in warrenton. But the silence from Savefauquiercounty on the conservative party now being filled with terrorists is deafening.


*** I plan to point out at least 2,021 examples of hypocrisy in our community during the year 2021. Help me out if you see one. I admit that I will go after Republicans most of the time, as they are truly lost. But I promise to point out liberal hypocrisy when I see it as well.


hypocrisy2021 · January 18, 2021 at 7:32 am
#6: Back in October Goodwin wrote in favor of recognizing the decisions of our courts when he penned “Just because you don't like the outcome of a judicial proceeding doesn't mean our country is systemically racist.” But today he continues to peddle in “election fraud” arguments even though our courts have decided 62 times in a row that these allegations are unproven and lacking evidence. “Listen to the courts. Wait don’t listen to the courts!” Wow.
hypocrisy2021 · January 18, 2021 at 7:29 am
#5: Jim Goodwin recently lamented that Trump was banned from Twitter but “Hang Mike Pence” was allowed. But the funny hypocrisy here is that Goodwin failed to realize that the accounts calling for Hang Mike Pence were from his fellow conservatives! Too funny. At least Twitter eventually took action and blocked that crap too.
farmbum · January 17, 2021 at 8:11 am
Jim, you deflect quite a lot.

The Justice department and intelligence community acknowledged Russian attempts at election interference. There is zero evidence that this was motivated by anyone in Obamas administration. Trumps own words during the campaign turned additional Russian resources into focusing on cyber-espionage.

Biden was found to have not been involved in his son's dealings. Yet there are recorded conversations of Trumps favor asking. A sitting President no less. My how powerful that makes America look.

COVID - 400K+ dead by the end of Trumps watch. A vaccine distribution plan that promised to get 20 million vaccinated by - December?
Look to the far-east, Australia and NZ for how-to handle containments.

On the economy- hand someone trillions of dollars and see how well they do. The FED as been pumping money into the economy for the last 4 years. Our national debt is trillions in the hole.

On stolen elections - no proof, matter of fact American Thinker had to walk back their journalists lies against Dominion.

BLM - Social injustice warped by Trump for political "Law and Order" messages. Yet his very supporters engaged in insurrection and sedition by storming the very heart of our government.

You, with your lies and warped way of thinking - are part of the problem going forward. You have no honor, and definitely no respect for the basic liberties afforded us all.
jim goodwin · January 17, 2021 at 7:46 am
hypocrisy2021
#5: Since the middle of Donald Trump's campaign, through his presidency and to this day, Democrats maintain that he colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. They refuse to acknowledge that the entire notion of "collusion" was started by Hillary Clinton's campaign and it was her campaign and its operatives that DID COLLUDE with a Russian spy to create the fake dossier that started the entire thing. Not only that, it was supported by politically motivated law enforcement and intel officials DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION!

#6: Democrats impeached Trump over a phone call with president Zelenskiy of Ukraine in which it was falsely alleged and disproved that Trump either pressured Zelenskiy or offered a quid pro quo (or both). But Democrats completely approve of the ACTUAL PRESSURE applied by VP Biden to have fired the Ukrainian prosecutor that was investigating Barisma, the company that employed his son Hunter. No, nothing suspicious there.

#7: COVID mandates. Rules for thee but not for me. Time and time again, after insisting that we must all wear masks and social distance, after closing down businesses, Democrat politicians broke their own mandates and were seen enjoying the very services that us peons were denied.

#8: As we entered into 2020, the economy was the best it had ever been. But Democrats seized on an opportunity to kill it by endlessly using COVID as an excuse for lockdowns. Now that they have quite probably stolen an election by, at the very least erasing one of Trump's biggest successes, we see that the science NOW SAYS lockdowns aren't working. Some of us saw that science last year but no one was allowed to talk about then.

#9: As BLM riots raged in Democrat run cities all over this country, Democrats rallied around the call to Defund the Police! Now, one Republican demonstration gets out of hand and they call in more than 20,000 guard troops. And to layer one hypocrisy on top of another, Democrats and the media called Trump an authoritarian and accused him of deploying "jack-booted thugs" to quell the assault on a federal court house.
Savefauquiercounty2019 · January 17, 2021 at 5:42 am
Linda, we all pushed for these rights over the years. We pushed the law that made health care insurances stop pre existing illnesses and stop employers that use to fire their employees who developed a chronic illness. I handed out list of legislators names to hundreds of people who were having these issues. I stood next to my mom who wanted to pursue a mortgage on her own and the bank told her no to go home and get her husband. She made more money than dad. She was also very educated during a day most women were not. These were not all liberal ideas. She was a republican. The radical left infiltrated the democratic party. Have you not given notice? Or do you have a blinded eye?
jim goodwin · January 16, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Are you talking to me, Linda?
I have great respect for liberal ideas, especially the ones you listed. It's leftist ideas I don't care for. At least the liberal ideas acknowledge that there ARE women. This runs contrary to the aspirations (there's that word again) of the left, as evidenced by the proposed rules for the 117th Congress which:
"Changes pronouns and familial relationships in the House rules to be gender neutral or removes references to gender, as appropriate, to ensure we are inclusive of all Members, Delegates, Resident Commissioners and their families - including those who are nonbinary."

Eventually, "women's" suffrage will need to be erased from history because it violates the new rules.

Sure, it's just the House rules today. But with absolute control in the hands of Democrats, whose squeaky wheel base is filled with leftists, it's only a matter of time before we are forbidden from using gendered language. In fact, doing so intentionally will be tantamount to violence.
jim goodwin · January 16, 2021 at 5:58 pm
Demosthenes, I guess we'll have to see how the cases are adjudicated as Amazon's position is aspirational at this point.

Meanwhile, this "violent" tweet, among many, is still alive:
https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784

"Our stance against Israel is the same stance we have always taken. #Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated: it is possible and it will happen. 7/31/91
#GreatReturnMarch"

Yes, that's Twitter, not Amazon. But it's all the same ideologically. Violent speech is what THEY say it is and, apparently, it depends on whether the source is a protected class or not.
Linda Ward · January 16, 2021 at 2:25 pm
BestKeptSecrets - So, you don't like LIBERAL ideas like abortion and gay rights, that's your privilege.

But what about these other LIBERAL ideas? The right to vote for women and people of color, the right for women to have a career, the right for women to wear pants, the right for women to drive, the right for women to own a business, the right for women to ask for help with childcare and housework, the right for women to open a bank account, the right for women to use birth control, the right for women to have a credit card, the right for women to own property. THOSE ARE ALL LIBERAL IDEAS.

I remember the days when we HAD to wear dresses to school, when it was sit there and be a nice little girl and keep your mouth shut until spoken to, that only men were smart enough to handle the family finances and the wife was given an allowance per week, etc. Do you want to go back to those days? The reports are clear that some people in this country want things to become as the American Taliban, and soon women will have to hide behind MASKS full time.
Demosthenes · January 16, 2021 at 11:38 am
Goodwin - Amazon's court filings with Parler make it clear that it was taken off their servers because it "encourages and incites violence."

Inciting others to violence is not protected by the 1st amendment.

More here, with specific examples: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/amazon-reveals-violent-content-death-threats-led-parlers/story?id=75221495
jim goodwin · January 16, 2021 at 5:42 am
Demosthenes, what you're suggesting is that I should leave my party because people like you don't like what we say and want to shut down its speech. In other words, conform or be silenced. Sounds like communism to me.

But beyond that, it suggests exactly what I've been saying is true...big tech (and you) believe they are the arbiters of hate speech and misinformation. It also confirms the notion that leftists, and the Democrat party on balance, believe that the citizens of this country are its children and they must be protected. They cannot decide for themselves what to believe and therefore they (and you) must decide for us.

Yes, Republicans believe in the free market. But it ceases to be free when the government protects a segment of the market, threatens it into compliance and then uses it as a political weapon. That's also communism.

hypocrisy2021
#1: Democrats protested racial injustice and some of those protesters roited, burned down businesses, ruined peoples livelihoods and stormed federal buildings. Most Democrat leaders did nothing substantive to stop the violence. Many said it was no big deal. Some called for more. But when a small percentage of a mostly Republican protest got out of hand, it was an insurrection and all of the protesters were guilty, including the President of the United States who asked that they protest peacefully.

#2: Democrat-run big tech silences anyone that disagrees with the party platform, calling it hate speech or inciting violence. But it allows "Hang Mike Pence" to trend and allows Iran's supreme leader to suggest the genocide of Israel.

#3: Democrats insist that we should "listen to the science" but if the science doesn't agree with their platform, it is silenced. There are scientific studies showing that Hydroxichloriquine and Ivermectin are effective in combating COVID, especially in the early stages, but mentioning the medications or the studies will get you a "fact check" or "misinformation" label on social media. Clear evidence that the Democrat party is in bed with big pharma who can't profit from sales of existing drugs but stand to rake in BILLIONS for new vaccines, which are being payed for by the government.

#4: Democrats insist that so-called renewable energy is the way of the future and the only environmentally sound way to combat global warming. Yet they don't acknowledge that billions of acres of wind farms and solar panels will also have a negative impact on the environment. They kill birds, they're made with all kinds of non-degradable materials and they have a relatively short life span, meaning they have to be replaced periodically. Not to mention that every unit requires maintenance. But the left doesn't care because they're more interested in being able to invest in a fledgling industry that is subsidized by the government and, therefore, guaranteed to line their pockets.

We can play this stupid game all day.
BestKeptSecrets · January 16, 2021 at 5:11 am
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