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Becca, you started by saying statues educate, commemorate and celebrate. Then you see no reason to celebrate Robert E. Lee. What happened to educate? You see no reason to celebrate him or anyone else who fought FOR slavery but I'm sure you don't reject educating about those facts. There's no reason on earth one can stand in front of the REL statue and be educated in the same way that visitors to Auschwitz are horrified and educated.
Tearing down statues is a symbolic gesture conjured by Marxists as a means of pitting different ideologies against one another. It is a tactic intended to create societal instability.
The ONLY way statues should be torn down is through legal political and legislative processes.
Statues do not educate, they commemorate & celebrate. What can you learn from a statue? Somebody's name, maybe some dates, & whether or not they looked impressive while sitting astride a horse.
To equate taking down a statue to erasing history is laughable. I see no reason to celebrate Robert E. Lee or anybody else who fought against this country for the sake of owning other human beings.
This clown in Richmond, who is a member of the same party as Lee, thinks taking down statues of democrats, erected by democrats, and honored by democrats will erase their history of despicable violence and abuse of fellow human beings
These people that were honored by statues lived in a different time, brought into different situations and responded as they were brought up to believe. At that time they felt they were doing the right thing, even if we know it was not today. Different times breed different history and to change what's in history books, names of schools, tear down statues, will not correct the past. Only learning by what wrongly happened can our children, grandchildren, and ourselves learn how not to repeat all the mistakes of the past. So when what is happening today is written up and the riots, killings, destruction of property, ( I could go on and on, ) is in the history books or social media, and statues are torn down, the riots occur again, people will be hurt again, property destroyed again, and statues will be torn down again. What changes will be made then? Without history no improvements are possible.
That old saying "History Repeats Itself" is so true.
And if our history is destroyed so will be our chances of not repeating it.
Up until 5 minutes ago, the only people that gave any thought to the statues, confederate or otherwise, were academic elites that are now using history as cugel. No one that passed by those statues felt insulted by them until they were told that's the way they SHOULD feel. What's happening now is disgusting.
Statues should not be taken down by angry mobs OR executive order. If new or incumbent candidates want to run for office and make statue removal a part of their platform, then they can remove them when they win.
I wonder how many people fretting about Robert E Lee's position on slavery, is enjoying a smart phone made in China using slave labor? Or are they speaking out the current sale of slaves going on right now in North Africa?
Robert E Lee was a slavedriver. He regularly rode into Northern states, captured men who had bought their freedom- and returned them to Southern states, in chains. Robert E Lee was a rapist. He's in my own family tree, as my great, great grandmother 'worked' for him and bore a child by him. Hardly a 'love' child. Robert E Lee was a general in a treasonous army, who fought- in part, to reserve the right to keep other men in bondage. And he himself, railed against the notion of building Confederate monuments- citing the fact that it was basically the celebration of an open wound.
It's time to step away from the rhetoric, and away from traditions. And, sure- it's going to take swallowing some pride. But The truth is, he's no hero. And apart from the handful of southern zealots who find their validation in the fibers of the Confederate flag, everything Lee represents is hurtful and insulting to the rest of us.
Please show the intellectual and emotional maturity to at least try to understand, and acknowledge that.
We should definitely continue to celebrate the treasonous white men who sacrificed white men of the working class so that they could continue operating on the backs of slaves. All of these GED’s thinking they know anything is laughable
How sad it is that we will be losing another historic statue and 2 more schools, in Manassas will have their names changed as to not, in any way, cause more unrest in our country. So does this mean everything associated with the Civil War, an extremely significant period in our history, will be wiped out of all history books, websites, removed from all libraries and burned. Will the Manassas Battlefield become a shopping mall. And will the Stone House on the site be made into a country store? In no way do I think Officer Chauvin did anything but horribly made another human being suffer and then lose his life. He should suffer the consequences and hopefully this type of injustice will stop. But this awful happening is history. It will not be forgotten. Should this be shoved under the rug and not to be mentioned. History is good and bad. But we will never be able to change it just by removing a statue or changing the name of a school.
This governor is a disgrace! He needs to be removed from office immediately! Horrible leadership for Virginians!
Georg - Spot on, I read this book back in the 1970's and it's as if it is coming to life.
“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
― George Orwell
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
George Orwell - "1984"
You can't legislate away history and culture..... you've got to vote good people in to office......VOTE!!
Governor has no business taking these steps. He is a disgrace. He's trying to secure future votes thru these nonsensical measures as well as thru gun control proponents. Make your vote count in the next election.
*more gardening* is not an appropriate way to phrase reaction if you are going to conduct a real effort at determining public opinion. you crazy right wing nut hacks keep on trying, though.
meckert - You are absolutely correct. We can not go back, we can only go forward. We can however fix what happened in the past by making sure it never happens again if it was wrong. We need to celebrate the rightness of life, repair the wrongness, and not glorify the obsolete and old ways that are broken.
CMEcamp - "From now on we will just be a number with no identity.." Basically we are just a number, think SSN and your birth date, without those you don't have an identity.
"Maybe we should all change our names since they all derive from old name sake's from year passed." Many of the African Americans in this country carry the name of the OWNER of their ancestors as slaves. Their names were changed without their permission or given any thought to how that would feel.
My ancestors names were not changed, lucky me. Unless it was at Ellis Island and the people checking IMMIGRANTS into the USA couldn't spell or misunderstood the pronunciation, the majority of Caucasians in this country didn't have their names changed or dismissed.
Think about that for a second.
No, I strongly disagree. Its just more pandering to the mopes and the criminal class.
History and monuments are distinct things. The original purpose of the confederate monuments was to re-characterize or re-frame history. You are correct, history cannot be changed but monuments can.
Ask an African-American if they need a statue of a confederate general to be reminded of their history.
Ask a Jew if they need a statue of Hitler, Mengele, or other Nazi's, to remind them of their history.
Why would we commemorate individuals who were on the wrong side of history?
What purpose do statues serve anyway? When they start burning the books or any archives, that's when they are attempting to erase or change history. As long as there are storytellers history will remain. We need to make sure the stories are truthful. Statues are mute, an object, nothing more, and not worth getting up in arms about.
Now if they were desecrating Robert E Lee's grave and other Confederate burial sites, or anyone's grave, that would be reason for protest.
Taking down the monument is a move to try to change history. History cannot be changed. We learn from history not to make the same mistakes as our predecessors. African-Americans should especially be against taking down monuments for this reason. Jews do not want to take down monuments to the Holocaust or close museums documenting the horrors of that period of history. We must learn to live with our history and not try to hide it. The Virginia governor is wrong on this action.
Once again Governor Northam who can't recall his picture being taken during his fraternity years, is now hoping to win back favor by tearing down a monument. It's a desperate move by a simple man to distance himself from the past and feed his constant desire to make Someone or Anyone remember him when he's gone. It sure won't be me, monument or not...
We learn from history. We can improve after understanding past problems, in our history. Taking down statues doesn't change history. It's impossible to change history.
No , so tired of the butt hurt in this country . Removing statues of history , changing road & school names . Maybe we should all change our names since they all derive from old name sake's from year passed . From now on we will just be a number with no identity , we could get a tattoo of the number on our arms , oh wait , thats already been done and we all know how that turned out
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