Member Comments (31)
And so many indisputable facts that contradict the wing nut opinions expressed here. Statues and facts - they really bother you people, don't they?
so much vitriol, so much anger...just sad
REMEMBER THAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN TRIED TO GET THE SLAVES TO LEAVE AMERICA
In addition to Liberia. Lincoln signed a contract with a proprietor of an island off the coast of Haiti called the Ile à Vache. The Ile à Vache was a small, uninhabited island just off the southern coast of Haiti, part of Haiti’s possessions and territory. This contractor, a former merchant, had been in Haiti and secured a paper from the Haitian government giving him ownership of this island. On December 31, 1862, the evening before he issues the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln met with this contractor and they drafted terms to get federal subsidized transit and supplies to move up to 5,000 colonists to this island.
Once again, we have an off topic liberal who has nothing to add to the original question about "Juneteenth" being proclaimed as a state holiday in Virginia. The question has nothing to do with the perceived accomplishments of any individuals, black or white. Personally, I have seen quite enough "accomplishments" in the last four weeks - rioting, looting, arson, murder. Until something other than violence becomes the default mode, you will get absolutely nowhere.
For Governor CM Black Face Klan Robes Northam to put forth this suggestion about "Juneteenth" is hypocrisy beyond belief. You libs have very short memories, don't you?
"BiggerPicture isn't interested in that though, it's all about the white man's "achievements" as the oppressor that he/she CARES about and nothing more."
Why would anyone want to learn anything from you, armchair Archie Bunker?
Alrighty then, let's have a 13th Amendment day national holiday. I'm all for it! Add a George Washington Carver Day, and Harriet Tubman Day, and Frederick Douglas Day, and Charlie "Byrd" Parker Day, and a Louis B. Armstrong Day, a Miles Davis Day, a Hiram Rhodes Revels Day, and don't forget the man who taught Jack Daniels how to make whiskey, Nathan "Nearest" Green. The list of people of color that have done much for this country is LONG. BiggerPicture isn't interested in that though, it's all about the white man's "achievements" as the oppressor that he/she cars about and nothing more.
You should make a better attempt to conceal your ignorance. A Constitutional scholar you are not, otherwise you would be familiar with the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution, ratified in December, 1865. General Granger's General Order #3 of 19 June, 1865, was limited in scope and applied only to the people of TEXAS. You and Mr. Bentley have a really hard time grasping that. In the bigger scheme of things (the BIGGER PICTURE), Granger's order amounted to nothing outside of TEXAS. It is the date of the 13th Amendment's ratification that you geniuses should be celebrating. But you are too ignorant of history to appreciate that. You call this your country, yet you know so little about it.
I followed you here because in your last incoherent post on the subject of "Juneteenth," you indicated that you didn't want to continue the discussion - you had been overrun by facts. One of your last comments was about you living in Germany for four years, which entitles you to what? Why did you bring that up? Your inability to stick to the subject matter is appalling. Focus, focus, focus...and you have none.
No, I did not forget the people who died in Pennsylvania or the Pentagon that uses Washington DC as it's address.
June 20, 2020 at 12:51 pm
BiggerPicture - Look who is straying from the initial discussion telling me to move back to Germany. Deflecting with the old go back to ______________. Germany was a very nice country to live in yet this is MY country as much as yours. Go take a powder.
NON-EVENT? That's like saying September 11, 2001 was a non-event. It happened in New York, not in Virginia or anywhere else but we set it aside as a national holiday.
YES, I SUPPORT making Juneteenth a state holiday! Why not? What are you going to do about it anyway tough internet keyboard warrior? That is the BEST you can do!
Again, straying from the initial discussion about creating a holiday in Virginia to commemorate a non event in Texas. Is this really the best you can do?
Move back to Germany. I'm sure they'd love to have you.
Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes - 1902-1967
"Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.
(America never was America to me.)
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed—
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.
(It never was America to me.)
O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.
(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")
Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek—
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.
I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!
I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean—
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today—O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.
Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home—
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."
Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay—
Except the dream that's almost dead today.
O, let America be America again—
The land that never has been yet—
And yet must be—the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine—the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME—
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.
Sure, call me any ugly name you choose—
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath—
America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain—
All, all the stretch of these great green states—
And make America again!"
BiggerPicture,AmericanPatriot,DonkeyFarmer - We have failed ourselves and America. You all lost TRACTION when you closed your minds in NOT looking at people as human beings but things. Time to learn a new way to make America America again.
Thanks but I'll pass on having any further conversations with petrified of change individuals. The Ugly Americans exist right here on this forum, look in the mirror.
That is a good point, and educationally illustrative of why it is impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a liberal. They simply cannot stay focused on the matter at hand. The question posed by FauquierNow is about adopting a 155 year old local event in TX as a holiday in Virginia. But our shrieking liberal commenters, now confronted by the facts, raise points that have nothing to do with anything. Marriage, children, education, CCP virus deaths, condemnation of President Trump....please, Ms. Ward, what in the world motivated you to drag such things into the discussion? They are not germane to anything. I'm glad that you had the opportunity to live in Germany for four years - no doubt you were the Ugly American - but so what? How is that in any way related to Governor CM Blackface Klan Robes Northam's harebrained idea of making this historically minor event one of Virginia's holidays? It has no bearing whatsoever on Virginia's history. Maybe it makes him feel better about himself and his refusal to take any personal responsibility for his well documented actions in college....hmmm? As Creepy Joe Biden would say, "You ain't black!"
My question is rhetorical, of course - we ALL know the answer. Once liberals begin to lose traction in a discussion, they switch topics and try engagement on a simpler, less complicated level. Distractions, smoke screens, personal attacks, wild accusations...oh, yeah, we've heard it all before. We hear it every day! And it doesn't work. BTW, have you noticed that the nays now outnumber the yeas on the original question posed by the paper? That must terrify you!
Linda, no worries about you having children...
Hey Linda, I have an extra ticket for the Trump rally in Oklahoma, do you want to go? Over one million people requested tickets, so you would be very fortunate to get one. You might learn a thing or two, and get to see some real patriots.
Don't worry, I'll pick you up in my minivan so there will be room for all your cats.
It is so much fun to kick the liberal ant hill and watch them run around in a frenzy! You are so afraid of the facts.
Gordon Granger was appointed military governor of Texas at the beginning of the Reconstruction and as such, he issued a number of general orders. The GO that Mr. Bentley cites was either 2 or 3, and since it has been 40 years since I did research on the Reconstruction, I could not remember which. Do you remember every detail from your education 40 years ago, Ms. Ward? Was American History one of your majors, Ms. Ward? My goodness, if you think I stooped low enough to consult Wikipedia or one of the other liberal poisoned sites, you are very mistaken. I don't know what the liberal rewrite of history says about General Granger; I consulted my hard cover text books from the late 1970s.
June 19, 2020 at 12:53 pm
BiggerPicture - "The text that Mr. Bentley quotes is from General Granger's General Order #3 (as I recall) - a military order proclaimed on 19 June, 1865 - IN TEXAS."
As you RECALL, LOLOLOLOLOL, you looked it up, talk about fact omission. I call BS!
June 19, 2020 at 12:51 pm
DonkeyFarmer, BiggerPicture, AmericanPatriot - I pity your children, and your wives (if any of you still have one).
AmericanPatriot - I'll go along with your idea of a week off with pay for descendants of white people that fought on the Union side during the Civil War, I have several, if we give the descendants of slaves the same benefits.
BiggerPicture - It's called an education in history. Heard of education? We lived in Germany for 4 years and saw what your hero Hitler did to that country. Trump will never be allowed that level of destruction in this country as long as people who love America don't let him. Your type are a nuisance, like mosquitoes, which are easily taken care of by the right means.
June 19, 2020 at 11:47 am
And now we have Mr. Bentley, suffering from his acute liberalism and fact deprivation - or is it fact omission? The text that Mr. Bentley quotes is from General Granger's General Order #3 (as I recall) - a military order proclaimed on 19 June, 1865 - IN TEXAS. This date and this setting make "Juneteenth" a TEXAS event - whether Mr. Bentley likes it or not. While this specific order imposes the concepts of emancipation, it did NOT come from the Executive of the United States nor any legislative branch. There's big difference between a military order and civilian law ratified by any legislature. If you're going to try to make a point, for God's sake at least quote from the correct, pertinent sources.
Now, since Mr. Bentley brought this up, I will point out that he conveniently neglected the last few sentences of General Granger's order which he cites, one of which is: "They (freedmen) are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere." In other words, fend for yourselves.
Too bad this country did not take General Gordon's admonishments about being "supported in idleness" seriously. Then those of us who pay taxes wouldn't be saddled with the welfare, food stamps and other wasteful "assistance programs" that we have today. And before you lash out with the ever popular "racist" label (your own brand of name calling, eh, Mr. Bentley?), I'm referring to individuals of all races and ethnic groups who are more than happy to be opportunists at tax payer expense.
Cherry picking selective facts, deleting the inconvenient truths, and twisting what's left to make it fit the liberal narrative. That's what people like Mr. Bentley are all about. Facts don't matter! I am impressed that he knew Chancellor Adolph Hitler well enough to be familiar with his personal habits. You must be quite old, Mr. Bentley?
June 19, 2020 at 10:21 am
The order came from the Executive of the United States not just a Texas lawmaker. Texas was slow on the uptake, and had to be reminded, again, about where their place was in the country, not independent but part of the United States of America.
“The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, ‘all slaves are free,’ ” the order reads.
“This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor.”
BiggerPicture - How old are you? 13? Name calling is so childish, you and the Fuhrer have much in common.
June 18, 2020 at 11:48 pm
BiggerPicture - You are awesome. Cracking me up. Have never seen you around here but you figured out crazy Linda quick enough! Lol.
Sounds like BiggerPicture needs something bigger...but it's not a picture...LOL
But that's not the subject of the poll, is it? The question pertains to Governor CM Blackface Klan Robes Northam making this nonsensical "date" a state holiday. Your reading comprehension is poor, and your aversion to facts is, well, typically liberal.
This is not about YOU (shocker), this is about a question posed regarding the creation of a Virginia state holiday to commemorate an event that occurred in Texas. And as you can see from the poll results, about half of the respondents are of the same mind that I am - NO.
Why don't you petition Governor CM Blackface Klan Robes Northam and see if he likes your "memorial day" idea? After all, he's a doctor and an expert on everything under the sun, just like you. It was medical "experts" like him advising the administration that led to the outcome we have now. Wear face masks, don't wear face masks, wear face masks.....ban travel, don't ban travel, ban travel....its highly contagious, its not highly contagious, it is highly contagious....don't call it the "Chinese virus," even though it IS the Chinese virus....put virus patients in nursing homes, don't put virus patients in nursing homes, well, maybe just a few virus patients in nursing homes.... If you want to assign that blame, look to your liberal governors of the states that had the highest virus related deaths. A third of the people who died were killed by the bumbling Democrats in NY and NJ.
BTW, are you all stocked up on toilet paper? The second wave is coming, you know? Put toilet paper over your door, like lamb's blood at Passover - it will protect you.
BiggerPicture - "I also support a memorial day for the 120,000 American citizens so far that have been sacrificed for
political expediency and due to the ineptness of the present United States administration in dealing with the covid-19 pandemic."
I was responding to ella82 comment above, not June 19th. Learn to read before responding ignorantly.
The "Juneteenth" holiday wouldn't be in January now, would it? Typical ignorant liberal response.
I'm with you 100% ella82!
The memorial day should coincide with Inauguration Day in January 2021 when the current administration is shown the BACK door.
There is no reason why there shouldn't be a day to honor freedom from slavery for American blacks, American whites have Independence day, July 4th, which celebrates American colonists freedom from the yoke of the English but was certainly not freedom for the black Americans who still were slaves. American Patriots day honors those who died in the trade centers bombing of New York tragedy. I also support a memorial day for the 120,000 American citizens so far that have been sacrificed for
political expediency and due to the ineptness of the present United States administration in dealing with the covid-19 pandemic.
AmericanPatriot - Since all those white people have been dead over a hundred plus years, how do you propose giving them a week off with pay?
I support a national week off with pay, honoring all the white people who sacrificed all to free black people from slavery.
I think we should get rid of Governor CM Black Face Klan Robes Northam. He's an embarrassment to the Commonwealth. Can you imagine the uproar - including rioting, looting, arson and murder - if a Republican governor had been caught in those circumstances? But, because he's a hypocritical liberal, well, that's OK.
If not now, then when? My question is, has slavery been truly abolished, or is is just known by another name?
Addiction, Poverty, Prejudice, Injustice, Trafficking, etc.
I think we should get rid of Columbus Day.
Facebook Comments ()