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Who won the presidential debate Tuesday night?

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  Donald Trump
  Joe Biden
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Mark House
October 13, 2020 at 3:03 pm
Hate Donald? Now why would anyone have reason to hate Donald Trump? Could it be because he is a man full of hate, and it is being tossed back at him, as he so richly deserves.

Narcissist's reflect back what they project.
Tony Bentley
October 13, 2020 at 2:38 pm
"the President is healthy" hilarious BiggerPicture. Go off and read some more fairy tales to yourself as it is you who appear to be INSANE.
BiggerPicture
October 12, 2020 at 8:23 pm
I gave Russia "a pass" because the virus didn't originate in Russia. That's kind of why its called the CCP Virus, you know? Maybe you haven't made that connection yet. Maybe you can't differentiate between one nation (China) and another (Russia)? I have been to wet markets, in two different Asian nations (one market was a thoroughly illegal enterprise), and I doubt that there is much wet market difference between them. Your description approximates my recollections fairly closely. I found those markets to be revolting in sight and smell and did not stick around to take in any more than what I had already seen. But, those markets have been around for centuries, and never before has the world experienced a "natural" virus of this magnitude, has it? Why are you defending the Chinese, Mr. Rodgers? Do you think the mainland Chinese have good intentions towards this country? Or the rest of the world? Hmmm?

But the fact (take cover, Ms. Rodgers, here come some facts) is that there are Chinese military chem-bio labs in the immediate vicinity of Wuhan. They have steadily been "improving" on the work the IJA did in Manchuria during Second World War. Ever heard of the Second World War, Ms. Rodgers? Familiar with the Japanese military "special programmes," Ms. Rodgers? Find out about them - they make wet markets look like a child's birthday party. If the Soviet Red Army had not taken control of these labs and experiments in August, 1945, the IJA had every intention of unleashing a biological war that we would still be talking about today - assuming our parents lived through it.

But you can't be bothered with that - you need to pour all of your rage into hating the President, don't you? Yeah, you and the rest of the ignorant and downright stupid people who reveal their acute cerebral density here. I see the President got a very good medical clearance - is that what set you off tonight, Ms. Rodgers? That he is deemed healthy is killing you, isn't it? Yeah, you just can't stand it, can you? It's driving you insane, huh? The economy is recovering, the confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court nominee are underway, the President is healthy - Oh, My God! What's a liberal to do?
Cammie Rodgers
October 12, 2020 at 7:46 pm
You talk about the Chinese regime yet seem to give the Russians a pass. Why is that BigPix?

Have you ever been to a wet market BigPix? I have and I'm surprised more diseases aren't rampart. Live chickens in the bottom cages, freshly killed chicken parts on the top of the cage, with rats everywhere, and around the corner they are splitting snakes open and drinking their blood. Lecturing anyone about something you do not have first hand knowledge of just shows you to be the one with low information sources. People with low self-esteem tend to be the ones that get taken in by conmen and scams.

I have no horse in the race as to Ginsburg (served her time) and the next SC Justice (whoever that may be), I'm past the point of ever contemplating abortion and I have great healthcare through my company.

Your steady diet of "crap" is turning your eyes into cesspools and your mouth repeatedly spewing garbage.
BiggerPicture
October 9, 2020 at 9:12 pm
The facts speak for themselves. The virus originated in communist China, and its release was no accident. It is not a "conspiracy theory." The Chinese government has murdered numerous people (the few that the world knows about so far) to keep the origin and details of the release of the virus murky. It is the CCP Virus, whether you accept that or not. It doesn't matter to me; you surely have no self esteem to protect. If the two of you think it spread from a wet market in Wuhan, you're only fooling yourselves. You fool yourselves a great deal. Do you believe the infection rates and death toll figures released by the Chinese government are accurate, or do you think maybe they are a little on the low side? Educated people don't believe the party line; you believe everything you hear on liberal news, hook, line and sinker. That is what makes you low information voters.

Enough said, Ms. Ward? I'm not a card carrying member of any organization. I had never heard of the Proud Boys until they emerged as a counterbalance to your Antifa and Burn Loot Murder. Good for them. Things are well out of hand, and if the pathetically weak democrat mayors and governors refuse to enforce the law, then its up to the responsible citizens to do it. Antifa is in for a big surprise, coming to a theater near you. Then you'll really have something to weep about.

Just because you don't know something, that doesn't mean it isn't so. Just because you don't accept something, that doesn't mean it isn't so. You are shockingly naive, but that's your prerogative. Keep feeding on a steady diet of liberal crap, and you'll grow to become the world's most uninformed people. If you aren't already.

The two of you have not - because you cannot - made any factual statements about this. All personal opinions, driven by rage and hatred, now directed not just at the President, but also at your pet justice, Ginsburg. She really screwed you over, didn't she? Yep. Makes one wonder who's side she was really on all of these years.
Linda Ward
October 9, 2020 at 4:16 pm
Biggerpicture is a card carrying member of the Proud Boys. Enough said.
Cammie Rodgers
October 9, 2020 at 11:46 am
BiggerPicture - In educated circles COVID-19 is know as CCP...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. The Communist Chinese Party!!! You have shown your hand of where you get your "education". I will not waste my time after this even responding to your drivel. You might as well be quoting from the National Enquirer. You are a phony, a fake, and a conspiracy theorist. Where do babies come from BiggerPicture, the STORK?

"The World Health Organization has declared an "infodemic" of incorrect information about the virus, which poses risks to global health."
BiggerPicture
October 9, 2020 at 7:57 am
Very good, Mr. House. Well written and organized. Now, let us go back to the previous administration and consider the more than $31 billion that Obama cost the US tax payers from just nine of his executive orders. It is well documented, but rarely discussed. The liberal media wont carry the stories, of course, but investment related publications and government watch dog organizations have a lot to say about them. You have the whole weekend to work on it, I'm certain you can turn out a real gem of commentary.
Mark House
October 8, 2020 at 7:54 pm
How much government money (Taxpayer) does Trump plan to spend on his reelection?

"When this was first proposed, the New York Times reported that pharmaceutical companies balked at the idea of distributing what they referred to pejoratively as “Trump cards”: cash handouts tied explicitly to the president. But Trump’s team made very clear that the cards would not bear Trump’s name, perish the thought.
According to Politico’s new reporting, the cards will instead be accompanied by a letter signed by Trump. No politicking here, no sir. It’s not as though Trump is trailing among voters over 65, a group he won in 2016. Were that the case, one would think that he’d release some sort of video explicitly focused on seniors, maybe calling them his favorite people in the world. Maybe putting “favorite” in all-caps, to really emphasize it.
Oh.
The issue here isn’t only that Trump’s clearly trying to leverage the government in ways that will benefit him personally, the sort of thing that might get a fella impeached. What’s more remarkable is how expensive it is — how expensive his cumulative efforts to leverage the presidency to aid his campaign will turn out to be.
Here is a brief shopping receipt.
$19 million. Those letters which the administration hopes to send out with the drug-benefit cards aren’t free. Documents obtained by Politico estimate that sending them out to the country’s 39 million Medicare beneficiaries will cost $19 million, or about 48 cents apiece.
$7.8 billion. Then there’s the value of the cards themselves. If each of those 39 million people gets $200, as planned, the costs add up quickly: nearly $8 billion in costs to the government. The money would be paid out of Medicare’s trust fund.
$72.4 million. There are other costs, too, like buying and activating the cards and providing phone-based support for their use. The proposal obtained by Politico puts the price tag for these additional items at over $72 million, most of it in fiscal 2021, which began Oct. 1.
That’s about $7.9 billion — just for the drug-benefit card program. But that is by no means the only way in which Trump is leveraging government money in an obvious attempt to influence the election.
$11.6 billion. After spending years downplaying the damage done to Puerto Rico after it was hit by Hurricane Maria in 2017, Trump announced last month that he was providing the island with $9.6 billion to repair its electrical grid and $2 billion more to rebuild schools and other facilities. Again, this is more than three years after the hurricane hit and after he repeatedly complained about how much aid the island had received. But there are a lot of Puerto Rican voters in Florida, a state Trump almost certainly needs to win if he hopes to be reelected.
More than $1 million. In the wake of the economy’s crumpling at the outset of the coronavirus pandemic, the Department of Agriculture distributed 75 million boxes of food to families to ensure food security. Some percentage of those boxes included letters signed by Trump, though it’s unclear how many and how much the letters cost. Assume that a third of the boxes included letters which cost 5 cents to print (almost certainly a lowball figure) and the total tops $1.2 million.
Around $43 million. In addition to ensuring that Trump’s name appeared on stimulus checks the government disbursed at the outset of the pandemic, the government went out of its way to ensure that those receiving the stimulus electronically also knew whom to thank. An estimated 90 million such letters were sent. If we assume the costs were the same as the drug-benefit card letters, that’s about $43 million in costs.
$0 to $400 billion. Another Trump proposal aimed at dampening the effects of the pandemic was to suspend payroll taxes until the end of the year (read: after November), thereby putting more money in people’s pockets. Such a plan would have cost the government an estimated $400 billion. But Trump’s proposal also had those taxes being repaid next year, meaning that, on net, there wouldn’t be a cost to the government.
Trump had a solution for that.
“If I’m victorious on Nov. 3, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax,” he said in September. So vote for Trump — or you have to repay all the taxes that were withheld."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/08/how-much-government-money-does-trump-plan-spend-his-reelection/




BiggerPicture
October 8, 2020 at 6:17 pm
What you mistakenly call CV-19 is not having the last laugh here. In educated circles, the virus is known as the CCP virus, since that is where it originated and that is who weaponized it against the world. You probably don't know what CCP stands for?

You and the rest of your liberal friends are highly p.o.'d over two recent events - that Justice Ginsburg died, giving Republicans a made-to-order opportunity to replace her with a conservative judge (that is KILLING you, isn't it?), and the fact that President Trump is recovering from the CCP virus when you wanted him dead. You are hysterical in your frustration and rage - and all for naught. You can't change either one of those facts. History is a bitch, is it not?
Cammie Rodgers
October 7, 2020 at 1:40 pm
Cammie Rodgers
October 7, 2020 at 1:37 pm
BiggerPicture
October 5, 2020 at 2:51 pm
Fear not - we're laughing. You certainly have identified yourself as a low information voter. Eminently qualified.
Tony Bentley
October 4, 2020 at 8:37 pm
Ah, BiggerPicture, what's the matter, you don't sound like you are laughing? Isn't that the point of your existence, to laugh at others because it is the only way you can feel good about yourself. The joke is on you!

I'm not angry, I'm furious! The disgrace, the destruction, the derision, the divisiveness, that this POSPOTUS has brought to the United States of America is a disaster unprecedented in our recent history. Low crawl back under your rock.
Cammie Rodgers
October 4, 2020 at 2:59 pm
The debate was a debacle from the beginning. Cancel all further debates until the Trump campaign can get it through their arrogant heads, that lying has consequences. (October 15th debate has already been cancelled because President "It's hoax" is either sick or "hoaxing" us all with a fake illness.) I go with the latter.
BiggerPicture
October 3, 2020 at 9:05 am
Mr. House's post missed the dinner time deadline, but Mr. Bentley's were punctual - twice, 12 minutes apart! And both are excellent examples of how liberals resort to crude, vulgar personal smears when they realize they cannot possibly wiggle their way out of their lies and unsupported "facts." Thank you, Mr. Bentley - you made my point precisely. It was a close run thing, but you came through for us, and revealed yourself once again to be an unsuccessful, poorly educated, immature being, lashing out like an angry child.

You also have anger management issues; your posts are ample evidence of that. Get the help you need, before something bad happens.
Mark House
October 2, 2020 at 9:09 pm
A joke making the rounds in Germany right now:

Three surgeons in Texas carry on a conversation while playing golf. Says the first one, “I’m the best surgeon in Texas. A concert pianist lost seven of his fingers in an accident. I sewed all of them back on and tomorrow he’s giving a private concert for the Queen.”

Says the second one, “that’s nothing. A young man lost both legs and both arms in an accident. I sewed them all back on and two years later he won the gold medal in the Olympic games.”

Not to be outdone, the third says, “you are both amateurs. Some years ago a stoned cowboy got run over by a train. The only things left were the cowboy’s aßß and the blond mane of the horse. I operated on him and today he is the president of the United States.”
Tony Bentley
October 2, 2020 at 6:34 pm
It (BiggerPicture) prints out comments from here for a laugh with friends. Some friends, some life huh? Boring life if that's all they have to discuss.
Tony Bentley
October 2, 2020 at 6:26 pm
ButtPimple - "Whatever charities you give to, if you really do, have you ever asked them for an external accounting of how the money is spent - or better yet, where the money goes?"

We don't give money, we give food from our farm to the Food Bank. We know where the food goes and it comes out the same place as the the waste from your mouth.

Speed is of the essence, go kiss your BFF Trump on the lips.

Dog feces has more intelligence than your posts do. And for God sake zip up your pants after you play with yourself, your guests will not be amazed.
BiggerPicture
October 2, 2020 at 5:58 pm
No, you really are not fine with the 1% having their wealth, because you bring it up repeatedly. It is a burr under your saddle, and ants in your pants. You cannot stand it that some have made it, and some (you) have not. It gnaws away at you day and night, and the evidence is right here in your posts. It drives you insane, doesn't it? Sure it does.

We're having some friends over tonight and were really looking forward to begin the evening with some big guffaws, so I truly hope you come through for us at the last minute and make another one of your informative posts trying to compare President Trump and the GOP to Chancellor Hitler and the NSDAP. You know, with all of the insight that you have into both men's lives? Some of your posts are damned good entertainment. My personal favorite is your inability to distinguish between an order written by a military governor and an act of Congress. That was breathtaking! You'll have to work hard to top that.

And then there's Ms. Ward, stumbling around and falling face first into my sarcasm. "Good Christians" was sarcasm, Ms. Ward. I'm sorry it flew right over your head, as many of my comments do. What a dull and unimaginative life you must lead.

My charitable donations? Animal shelters, rescue organizations and wildlife rehabilitation centers. Money and equipment given to them does reach the intended recipients, unlike the "charities" for social problems. Whatever charities you give to, if you really do, have you ever asked them for an external accounting of how the money is spent - or better yet, where the money goes? Money going somewhere is not necessarily money spent. I hope that isn't too complex a topic for you to understand. Name a nationally recognized charity that has not been rocked by some kind of scandal over the last three decades. I can't think of one.

Please hurry, Mr. Bentley - out guests arrive at 7PM. We want to print out your lunatic remarks and leave a copy at each person's place setting. Speed is of the essence.

Tony Bentley
October 2, 2020 at 12:29 pm
BiggerPicture - Improve my lot? LOLOLOL. You do not know me or what my LOT is, so go bury your blunt hatchet job of rebuttal somewhere else, like in Jeffersonian American.

I'm fine with the 1% having their wealth, as long as it was honestly earned, unlike Trump who borrows and lies to cover his bottom line, even stealing from his OWN charity, a true conman.
Linda Ward
October 2, 2020 at 12:22 pm
BP - I'm an atheist so don't care what "good" Christians think. Good Christians like Jerry Falwell Jr. and his wife? No thanks!

I don't know about Mr. Bentley's charitable work or his bank account, and it's none of my business. Speaking of which, what do YOU DO to help those that have less? You forgot to list your charitable contributions.
Linda Ward
October 2, 2020 at 12:16 pm
Trump has cried wolf (lied) too many times to believe him now.
BiggerPicture
October 2, 2020 at 11:42 am
I think I'm hitting exactly where I intended, to get two rapid fire angry responses like those. I never said that I was better; I said that you - everyone - can do better. Improve your lot. In a previous reply you tried to make this about me, and my success and, indirectly, the President and his success: "You are consumed by your reasoning that only you are important in the big scheme of life." Did you not write that? Yet you and Ms. Ward are among those condemning the wealthy for forsaking those who don't have money to buy groceries. My, my! In addition to being a failure, you must not be a good Christian, either. One doesn't speak of the successful "elite" (in your mind) the way you do if you are one of them, you know? Bad manners. I'm not going to pretend to assume that you help in any way those who don't have money to buy groceries, in spite of your "success." Another bitter have not, one of so, so many.

The people who complain about not having something when someone else does are the people who have nothing themselves. That is a fact. You want redistribution of wealth, and its not happening on our watch.

Yes, Mr. House, personal responsibility plays a greater role than any other single factor, in all of life's endeavors. I do agree with you on that.
Tony Bentley
October 2, 2020 at 10:58 am
Failure as a human being who DOES NOT care about those that have less is not something to be proud of BP.

You may think you ae something on the outside, but are pure rot on the inside. Good luck with that!
Tony Bentley
October 2, 2020 at 10:54 am
BP - Your insults aren't hitting me where you think they are. It tickles my funny bone to hint that I'm not successful.

I don't care for people who think they are better than the wait staff who serve them, the cleaning people who clean up after them, the teachers, the store clerks, the landscapers.

BP here are your own words, "It only reveals you to be someone who is a failure and blames everyone but himself for it." Failure as a human being who cares about those that have less is not something to be proud of BP.
Mark House
October 2, 2020 at 10:46 am
Anyone not taking the standard health protocols have only their selves to blame. Northham, Trump, etc. Yet, it is the POTUS, who is suppose to lead the way, who continuously downplayed COVID-19. Northam didn't downplay it, but was lax in his judgement. Not giving either a pass, any more than the millions of people still walking around like nothing is going on. 205,000 people are dead, millions sick, millions still feeling the after effects of COVID-19. What goes around, comes around (unless you take things seriously, Trump said he know it was bad yet kept lying about it).
BiggerPicture
October 2, 2020 at 10:21 am
Yeah, Mr. Fields, I was waiting for that one. But, let us review the facts. Governor CM Klan Robes Blackface Northam and his wife also contracted the virus. Do you believe that he is also not following the best medical advice available? Do you believe that he regards the CCP virus as a hoax? Don't you think he ought to be, since he is dictating virus policy for the Commonwealth? Tell us, in great detail for our readers' enlightenment and edification, why Northam and his wife becoming infected is any different from the President and his wife becoming infected? You liberals are amazing - shout, "We told you so" because the President is infected, but not one peep when your lib governor has exactly the same diagnosis. No bias here, folks, keep on moving. The President is "guilty" of the same things Northam is, right, since the result is same...right? But the criticism is different, is it not? Non existent for Northam, and blistering for the President. Explain, please.
BiggerPicture
October 2, 2020 at 10:02 am
No improvement in your reading comprehension or ability to stay on topic. I did cite the source of Candidate Biden's 33 verified lies - the NYT. If you don't read it, and what dyed in the wool liberal doesn't, that is a deficiency on your part, not mine. Using the Washington Post as your bellwether for unbiased reporting is, well, like believing everything a used car salesman tells you. You seem to be under the misconception that President Trump is the only politician who ever lied... Does "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan..." sound familiar to you? Aside from the findings of the Warren Commission, that was the the greatest lie ever perpetrated on the American people by any individual or government body. Osamaobama, the Lyin' King.

And then we have Mr. Bentley, who after posting a completely irrelevant rhyme and verse, articulately reveals himself as a frustrated and bitter have not. There are tens of millions of people who have built and maintained successful lives in America, some being immigrants who started with absolutely nothing. They can afford groceries, and they can afford to invest. They can even build financial empires that beget even more successful people. So it isn't just me, Mr. Bentley - there are millions of us. Obviously you are not one of them. Again, that is a deficiency on your part, not mine. You can rail all you want about people who have actually done something with their lives, but it does not detract from their successes. It only reveals you to be someone who is a failure and blames everyone but himself for it.

What is missing from your incoherent post is your usual futile attempt to tie this in with the National Socialists. After all, you are Fauquier's resident expert on Chancellor Hitler, are you not? Or were you just spewing out whatever came to mind and trying to represent it as fact? The more you post, the more it becomes apparent how little you know.

Both of you are sad commentaries on today's society. Bitter about everything - because of your own shortcomings. Might want to revise your distorted way of thinking, because it certainly hasn't gotten you very far, has it? A pair of smoldering, burned out hulks is what you have turned yourselves into.
Jerome Fields
October 2, 2020 at 9:55 am
Trump, first lady test positive for coronavirus - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hope-hicks-close-trump-aide-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2020/10/01/af238f7c-0444-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html

You all remember the gal who steamed his pants while he was wearing them, she tested positive. Then today this news. As much as I dislike Trump I hope that he and Melania recover quickly.

But this just proves what happens when you ignore the best advice of the medical and scientific community. What is doubly concerning is that he has led his followers to believe that the pandemic is a hoax.

If the President with constant testing in the White House and the best medical care available can get the virus, what about the rest of us? This virus is no hoax.
Linda Ward
October 1, 2020 at 1:22 pm
@Tony Bentley - I don't give biggerpicture much thought, doesn't even have the courage to use "its" real name. Where "it" got that number for Biden, 33, who knows, "it" doesn't cite a reference. I have some numbers that are more disturbing “Do you regret at all, all the lying you’ve done to the American people?”

When a HuffPost reporter posed that query to President Trump last month, Trump briefly asked for clarification, then, without answering — or showing much concern — moved to a different question.

Trump’s deceit, with all its variety and compulsiveness, is a shocking element of his time in office, shocking in its regularity and in its seeming lack of political consequences. The Washington Post has catalogued more than 20,000 Trump falsehoods."

That's 606 lies from Trump for 1 of the unsourced lies biggerpicture is attributing to Biden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/16/trump-is-hardly-first-serial-liar-white-house-his-deceptions-are-different/

I don't read the NYTimes. Wrong again sweetheart!

BiggerPicture - Your blind support of Trump will CONSUME you and every other American, for or against him, if he is allowed to continue on the path he is leading us all. The cliff is straight ahead but you keep believing him that it's all fake news.

We already vote in person for Biden/Warner/Webb.

Tony Bentley
October 1, 2020 at 10:42 am
BiggerPicture - Theme song for the Trump ERA.

Mother
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?
Mother, do you think they'll like the song?
Mother, do you think they'll try to break my balls?
Mother, should I build the wall?
Mother, should I run for president?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Is it just a waste of time?

https://www.metrolyrics.com/mother-lyrics-pink-floyd.html

Better check, when certain drugs out live their patents, the price is reduced. The majority of people don't even have money to buy groceries let alone INVEST, so only the haves are seeing payouts. The rest of the "disgusting" population as Trump calls them couldn't care less about yields. You are consumed by your reasoning that only you are important in the big scheme of life.
BiggerPicture
October 1, 2020 at 9:57 am
Well, not so fast, Ms. Ward. Consult your darling New York Times for the results of their fact checking on Candidate Biden's 33 lies. President Trump's performance was predictable, but Creepy Joe has sunk to a new level, has he not? Neither one behaved any better or worse than the other. Candidate Biden had a perfect opportunity to act in a gentlemanly manner by simply ignoring the President and he completely blew it. He took the President's bait every single time. So much for his "rigorous preparation."

My one prescription drug cost has dropped, about 28%, thanks to President Trump, and my investments had a higher yield in the first six months of the Trump administration than they did over the entire eight years of the Obama/Biden administration, so don't preach to me that President Trump hasn't done anything for the American people. Your blind rage and hatred continue to consume you.
Demosthenes
October 1, 2020 at 8:36 am
Ivebeenrued - I don't know much about the Proud Boys. Trump also said yesterday that he doesn't know much about them. Their name was kind of thrown into the conversation, I think from Wallace, as Trump was asking for something more specific than a generic description of "white supremacists". From that point of view, it might have been unfair of Wallace to use them as the example, but if Trump knew little about them and used them in the context of the debate as the example of a white supremacist group then his response is still worrisome.
martinkus
September 30, 2020 at 10:09 pm
...and the winners are:

RUSSIA & CHINA!
ivebeenrued
September 30, 2020 at 7:20 pm
Demosthenes, I researched your claims a bit and went back to authoritative sources and yes, it does look like the President evaded the tax question and I can see how many are viewing his statements about accepting the election results as doubling down. I must however disagree with your statement about the President telling white supremacists to “stand back and stand by”. If you go back and review the footage his statement was directed to a group that calls themselves “Proud Boys”. The “Proud Boys” organization appears to be a fraternal organization which welcomes “all races, all religions, gay or straight” and who’s only membership requirements being that you are male and that you “love the west”. Their website was not scrubbed of hate speech or anything either because of the publicity either. The earliest records of their site on archive.org has these same themes and tenets. This is of course barring some authoritative evidence indicating that this organization is somehow affiliated with the white supremacy movement that I am not aware of. Here is an archive link to their tenants page from several months ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20200619194153/https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/
Constitutional Insurgent
September 30, 2020 at 5:58 pm
The answer is somewhere between "nobody" and the liquor industry. What an absolutely dumpster fire full of clownshoes.

The spectacle was an embarrassment for the nation......'exceptionalism' was given a new definition last night.
Demosthenes
September 30, 2020 at 3:41 pm
With amazement I noted:
1. The President told white supremacists to "stand back and stand by" when asked if he would condemn violent white supremacy movements
2. The president failed to clearly state how much he paid in taxes in 2016 or 2017 (Wallace said it was $750)
3. President also doubling down on the idea of not accepting the results of the election

Beyond that it was as if Trump went into the debate with the plan that if he interrupted Biden and Wallace enough times no one would notice that he is totally bereft of any real policies or ideas.
Demosthenes
September 30, 2020 at 3:33 pm
ivebeenrued - The Senate committee (majority Republicans) that spent the past several months investigating the Biden family and dealings in Ukraine released their report last week. While different networks have run the gamut of headlines to affect how that report is viewed, it doesn't really say much that we didn't already know. It talks a lot about the work that Hunter Biden did in Ukraine. It does go so far as to say that his work there created an "awkward" situation for our state department. But the investigation found no wrong-doing from Joe Biden, nor any American policy decisions that could be connected to Hunter working there.

In the words of Ron Johnson, who chaired that committee, they found "no smoking guns" even though he admitted that he excitedly led that committee with the expectation that they would find evidence of wrong-doing.
ivebeenrued
September 30, 2020 at 1:48 pm
I wasn’t aware of the accusations of payoffs from Moscow to Hunter Biden until the debates. They kind of came out of left field during the debate but I was nonetheless surprised by them. First the Burisma sketchiness and now evidence of millions of dollars going to the Hunter; someone’s got some explaining to do and I don’t think “the report has been debunked by the mainstream media” is going to cut it with most voters.
Linda Ward
September 30, 2020 at 1:24 pm
That was NOT a Presidential Debate but a high stakes version of the Jerry Springer show, where the one that shouts, interrupts, and lies is in fact the "baby daddy".

That "debate" wasn't a debate, it was a pathetic excuse for a unhinged rant by Trump.
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